Thread: Reports from the Trenches

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We've been dealing with some difficulties in my league.  The problems are related to dump trades, staying active all season, you know the normal stuff we deal with.  One owner is now proposing what I consider a ridiculous high-low payout structure, where 1st, 2nd, 11th, and 12th win money with 11th and 12th having to qualify in AB and IP to win.  I don't know why we would incentivize teams to do poorly.

My suggestion is to move to a pyramid keeper system similar to what Alex has described in the past, but perhaps even more aggressive.  Right now each team can keep up to 5 major leaguers, plus 2 minor leaguers, or additional minor leaguers in place of major leaguers.  All told, that's 60 major league keepers maximum.

Perhaps this is too drastic, but I was thinking of proposing:

1st - 2

2nd - 3

3rd - 4

4th - 5

5th - 8

6th - 7

7th - 7

8th - 6

9th - 6

10th - 5

11th - 4

12th -3

This would be the same number of major league keepers (60), greatly incentivize the teams who try to improve throughout the season by making free agent pickups who could be kept and not trading out.  It may create unwanted incentives for teams at the very bottom to trade out for that one or two great keepers, though.  

The minor leaguer keepers would be unchanged and people could keep more minor leaguers at the expense of these major league slots if they so wished.

What do people think?  What tweaks would you make and what side effects do you foresee?

Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Dec 11 '18

Yes indeed, listening to people talk about their teams is like listening to their dreams. It was true in 1989 and it's still true. So skip right down to where Don Drooker describes what he budgeted to fill his needs and what he paid a week ago exactly in Arizona.

I was impressed.

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Alex Patton Alex
Nov 9 '18


The Scottsdale Scorpions fielded quite the lineup yesterday. It
included a Williams, Tramell, Alonso, Dawson, A. Sanchez, and A.
Rodriguez. These kids might have a future...and past. Forrest Whitley
continued to show his dominance, allowing two hits and a walk, with one
unearned run over four innings in gaining the victory. He chipped in
with six k’s for good measure. Pete Alonso was the offensive star for
the Scorpions, going 2-for-3 with a pair of RBI’s, and hitting his second homer.

The one-game slump by Vlad Jr. is over, as he went 3-for-4 with three
RBI for the Saguaros. Nick Heath contributed a couple hits and stole
three bases, bringing his total to a League leading seven. You’d think
with all that offense, Surprise would have had their way with Peoria,
but that was not to be the case. Peoria pounded out 16 hits to go along
with 11 walks in a 16-8 victory. Peoria was once again led by Lucius
Fox, Keston Hiura, and Evan White....with Cristian Pache also getting in
on the fun. Combined, the one-thru-four hitters went 9-for-21 with
three walks, one homer, nine RBI, and six runs scored. Hiura hit his
second homer and contributed five RBI’s. It won’t be long before we see
this kid manning second base in Milwaukee.

Sam Hilliard was the
star for the Salt River Rafters in their narrow 2-to-1 victory over
Mesa. He went 2-for-4 with a run scored and RBI. After a breakout
campaign at Lancaster in 2017 where he hit 21 homers and stole 37 bases,
he moved to Double-A Hartford and struggled, hitting only nine homers
and stealing 23 bases. Over the past three seasons, he’s amassed 150,
154, and 151 strikeouts. If he can improve on those contact rates, the
toolsy Hilliard could be an intriguing option down the road for the Rox.


Tim McLeod tlmcleod
Oct 17 '18

Foxx made the majors at age 17, so yes, he had incredible talent.  He was a star by 20.  Foxx was the youngest to 500 HR until ARod.  Basically, he was a stud player.  Modern training and medicine might have given him even more gaudy career numbers.  He was done by age 33.

It was hard to get discovered back then, but he was in Maryland, so within the reach of most teams' scouts, rather than out west, where players were lucky to be discovered.  He lost two HR in a rain out, otherwise he would have shared Babe Ruth's single season record until Maris broke it if MLB played by today's rules.  I remember reading that on the ball at the HOF over 25 years ago and thinking how unfair that was.  He lead the league in SLG 5 times, OBP and WAR 3 times each, and oWAR 4 times.  I think he would have been a very similar player to Albert Belle or Manny Ramirez had he played today with a high average, lots of HR, but without gaudy walk totals to go along with it like Frank Thomas.  His K rate was high for his time, so he wouldn't have been like Pujols or Miggy.

I have him ranked behind only Gehrig and Pujols as the third greats 1B of all-time.

Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Oct 17 '18

Actually, we do have Firpo.

mike fenger mike
Oct 17 '18

If you were to Delorean the early 1930's Jimmie Foxx into a batter's box today, he would very likely be overmatched - or at least in need of some serious adjustment period.

If Jimmie Foxx was born in 1990 and hitting his peak in 2018, then I believe he would still be a very good baseball player in today's game, just not as dominant as he was in the pre-integration years.  Talent is talent.

Gary Cruciani Megary
Oct 17 '18

All right: back to the future. What if Jimmie Foxx were cloned and put in the batter's box today? Would he hit even more homers, albeit with more Ks, or would he be overmatched?

Alex Patton Alex
Oct 17 '18

If the over/under is 90, I'll take the over ...

Reminds me of one of my favorite videos ... Proof of Bob Feller throwing 100 mph ... my 2 favorite parts of the video:

- Feller nailing the bulls eye

- Feller signing his autograph with a fountain pen

Howard Lynch LynchMob
Oct 17 '18

According to Baseball Reference, Saves were first calculated by the Sporting News in the 1960s, a few years before they became an official statistic. So everything before the 1960s (like all of Firpo's career) has been reconstructed from box scores. And, by the way, back in the day, nobody said "back in the day." 

Walter Shapiro WShapiro
Oct 17 '18

We don't have Foxx or Firpo, Howard.

It's fascinating looking at your links. Did they even have saves back in the day or have they been reconstructed from boxscores?

How fast was Firpo's best fastball? Safe to say it never touched 90.

Alex Patton Alex
Oct 17 '18