Thread: Patton $ Online

A discussion about what your dollars get you.

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I've been working off the provided spreadsheets for several years, but I'm tempted to try the software again.  

Mike Dean TMU2009
Apr 1

The software works great for standard AND non-standard leagues, Alex! Don't sell yourself short. I've been using it since Windows 3.1, I'm pretty sure.

T.J. Rohr TJRohr
Apr 1

Tomato - Tomahto.

And yes, approaches to pricing is a Masochist's game.

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Apr 1

I would do it the other way -- start with the 112th hitter and work up. The little guys would be bunched together and the closer I got to the top, the more the prices would spread out. I'd have a very high bid limit for Juan Soto (and Trea Turner) and when push came to shove, I might on the spur of the moment decide it still wasn't enough.

In essence, an eight-team NL-only resembles a 15-team mixed league, and in both cases the prices aren't linear.

I have an idea. Shouldn't we move this over to Notes for Masochists? We're trying to sell Patton $ Online! Which work great for standard leagues. 

Alex Patton Alex
Mar 31

I just checked the prorating feature and you probably shouldn't use it. It uses the projected stats for all projected players to make the Patton$ price. Right now there are 270 players with projected positive values in the NL. Many of them don't have a PK5 or AP4 because they won't be available on auction day, but will likely have 100 or more AB during the season. Because there are so many extra players with some value, the formula changer takes money from the best players to give it to the lesser players. This is the exact opposite of how you should be doing your budgeting. 

Better to decide how much you think you want to pay for Soto, Scherzer, Mookie, Acuna, and work backward down to the 112th hitter, who will be $1, then see how much over or under you are, and make adjustments.

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Mar 31

There are few options that have to be set for a different league size.

In Options | League: Set number of teams to 8, in your case.

In Options | Auction: Set the number of players on a team. The software doesn't take into account positions. More about this in a moment.

In Options | Data: You can adjust formulas based on the number of teams. This option is accompanied by this comment; "Note that this is not endorsed by Alex as valid."

In this last one, if you tick the box, the program will recalculate the bid vales based on 192 hitters and 80 pitchers. Alex doesn't consider this valid because the larger the free agent pool is the less value the middle class has in a fantasy league. There will be little difference between an $8 player and a free agent, so why spend the $8. That extra money that is saved is better used to buy irreplaceable players, that is the best hitters and pitchers. 

My personal opinion is that ticking the box is fine, it can serve as a rough guide to a budget, but the real magic is using the Bid Value column to create your own bid limits for your league that add up to the actual money that's going to be spent by your league for the guys you think will be rostered. Especially since our bid values don't match up with your league size.

Finally, the software doesn't use positions to determine values because in deep leagues position scarcity isn't really a value factor, it's more of a strategic one. It is while making the bid values that you assign positive values to the correct number of players at each position. Because of multiposition eligibility, I start with Catcher, give 24 of them positive values (you would give 16), then move on to 2B, SS, 3B, 1B, and OF, filtering out the ones who were already valued. Then give the next 8 UT values. Do the same with your pitchers, adjust until you have the right amount of money budgeted to the right number of players, and you're good to go. You'll always have an eligible player available if you have an open position. 

Hope this helps.

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Mar 31

A user asks what the notations in QMemo mean for prospects, which is a very fair question. Here's my explanation many posts below...

I pointed out earlier today that the Minor League Analyst gives Julio Rodriguez a grade of 9B, Bobby Witt Jr. a grade of 10D.

Here's how the Analyst explains the grades.


10. Hall of Fame

9. Elite player

8. Solid regular

7. Average regular

6. Platoon player

Probability rating

A. 90% probability of reaching potential

B. 70% probability of reaching potential

C. 50% probability of reaching potential

D. 30% probability of reaching potential

E. 10% probability of reaching potential

In Thursday's update I added the Analyst's grades in Quick Memo for each of Keith Law's top 100 prospects. When you sort all hitters and pitchers by PR3 descending, you get Keith's top 100 all bunched together with grades from another source next to each one. You can also list PR1 (Baseball America), PR2 (Baseball Prospectus and PR4 (Rotowire) to get multiple assessments of each prospect.

If you use the Excel worksheet instead of the software, all of these choices are already listed.

Using the software or the worksheet, a double sort of Team and Sort ascending gives complete, easy to read depth charts of all thirty teams, from the leadoff batter (hitters) and Opening Day stater (pitchers) to the lowliest NRI. Minor leaguers on the 40-man rosters and serious prospects who don't yet need to be protected get a Sort # of 40 (NRIs 45). When you've run this double sort, it's very apparent which teams are loaded with potential impact prospects; you just need to scan down Quick Memo to see the Analyst's grades for Keith Law's top 100. 

Alex Patton Alex
Mar 31

Our 8-team NL-only 5x5 league has decided to go with 14 hitters (C, 1B, 3B, CI, 2B, SS, MI, 5 OF, 2 UT) and 10 pitchers. How do I adjust the software to reflect the hitting positions? Thanks. 

T.J. Rohr TJRohr
Mar 31

Thanks Rotoman -- great timing by me.  Download successful!

Thanks Colin -- will check cc account to confirm.

scott northrup brutus
Mar 31

The updating has been completed. A little hiccup because I forgot to make the original and working files the same meant there was no program download for longer than usual, which tripped up Brutus. But it's all done now.

A ton of moves to other teams and from the majors to the minors is in this update (Brock Holt is a free agent!), as well as the CBS Expert League prices (thanks Texpope for playing, Alex for inputting), and updated projections, player notes, and some of our sleepers and potential bargains pointed out.

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Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Mar 31