Thread: Patton $ Online

A discussion about what your dollars get you.

Welcome! You are invited to wander around and read all of the comments that have been posted here at Patton & Co., but as soon as you register you can see the bid limits that Alex, Peter and Mike propose for each player, and you can post your own comments. Registering is free, so please join us!

Thanks, Alex!

Scott Shea SJS

There is.

In Options/Formula...

1) check Custom Denominators

2) change BA1 from 1430 to 1397

3) change BA3 from .260 to .254

4) click on OK

This changes the value of Rotoman's projection for Sanchez from $17 to $18.

A small difference. But you have uncovered a big mistake: we are still using the 2017 EVA formulas to calculate the values in the Projector; we should be using the 2018 EVA formulas.

It was hard to see, since the overall hitting contexts both years were similar. Neverheless, we won't wait until March 1 to fix this. I will post here as soon as we have.

Alex Patton Alex

Is there any way to change it myself for the players I've already projected? Maybe under Formulas/Options/Hitting Denominators? 

Scott Shea SJS

Ouch. It should be .254, and is in the Evaluator.

The formulas in the Projector are always the same as the previous season -- it's hard enough to predict what a player is going to do, much less an entire league.

Good catch, Scott. That's a serious error that will be corrected in the first update.

We think March 1 is a good time for the first update, since by then we will have some actual spring training games to go by. The next will be March 15. After that each Friday until April 5, which will be our last.

Alex Patton Alex

Alex and Peter, is the batting average denominator in the AL .260 this year? I've got Gary Sanchez projected to hit .260 (yeah, I'm an optimist!) and he earns $0.0 in AVG.

Are we expecting a big increase in AVG this year? I recall the AL average being about .254 in 2018. 

Scott Shea SJS

Hi Joe,

I think what happened with the Help file in PDO is that Microsoft changed the help file format and the old one no longer worked. And we haven't updated it because we have a mostly veteran clientele that doesn't use the help file. I will dig around to see if I can find a copy of the old Help file. It should be posted and available, but as Alex said, please don't be shy about asking questions.

To add on to what Alex wrote:

1) Yes, at the 5x5 stats are based on Alex's formula. In PDO software, the 2018 historical earnings price is for 4x4. In fact all the historical prices are for 4x4 in the program.

2) One of the things I use the software for is to adjust my bids after entering my league's keeper prices into the BID column. Adjusting for inflation is very important and as you know the adjustment isn't across the board. In some leagues much of it goes to pitchers, in others much goes to hitters, and in all the pricier players get more inflation in general than the cheaper ones (unless leagues miscalculate and two or three teams end up with too much money and only one good player left to buy).

3) Make sure you save to Working file after making your edits/adjustments.

4) Yes, right now the default view doesn't include some key info (like my bid prices). In Information Source you can change that. In the next release I'll include a more expansive view as the default. You can set your own and as long as you don't update the Option File your adjustments will persist.

5) Yup.

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman

Joe --

When I click on help, I see a help message. But it pertains to this site; it doesn't help with the software. I'll try to do that.

1) I think this one is about the site. $5x5 is the value of each year's stats in 5x5, using my formulas. Peter's (in the Guide) are close but not the same.

2) You are correct. The bids are not inflation adjusted. And you are absolutely correct that  underpriced keepers can radically inflate the prices of available players.That's something we talk about extensively each year in various threads.

3) Each time you save the working file, the date and hour is shown for that particular file (e.g., nlp19.pww) -- is that what you're asking?

4) Click on List/Information Choices and check PK5, MF5 and AP4 under Rotisserie Info.

5) Yes.

I'm sure there will be more questions and do keep asking them here. Most of our subscribers have been coming back year after year. When we get a new one, we get very excited.

Alex Patton Alex

Hello Peter:

It is working. There is a learning curve but looks like it will be fun figuring it out.

I like the links to fangraphs, baseball reference, etc when you are looking at stats for an individual player.

Note that when I click on help, I get the following message:

"Error opening Help in Windows-based programs: "Feature not included" or "Help not supported"


1. On the stats page, for the year 2018, the $5x5 value shown - was that the average for 2018?

 2. I am three leagues, 2 AL, 1 NL - both are 10 teams although we may just have 9 in one league - 5 x 5 - keepers -- up to 15 keepers in one league up to 10 keepers in the other. Do the projections take into account inflation as a result of keepers?

[ It finally dawned on me why the bidding in our leagues is always so much higher than projections - the inflation due to keepers!! ]

After some more reading, I think I answered my own question - these are not inflation adjusted.  Only after I enter the keepers in my league with the value include inflation, correct?

3.  Entering my own projections - how do I enter date in the working file

4. In the projections, there are no values for AP, PK or MF. But in the raw data in the Excel spreadsheet I see values for these items.

5. "  And something else happens when you subscribe:

Rotoman's Projections Appear at the Bottom of the Stat Scans at Patton & Co.

Subscribers will see these"

Are these the Rotomans projections when looking at the stats of an individual player?



Joe Wrobel Chepelully

That's right. 5x5 is more popular now, so 5x5 is the default, in the Evaluator and the Projector. Click on Options/Formula to change it.

Alex Patton Alex

I figured it out. The evaluator was defaulted to 5x5. I switched it to 4x4 and it syncs up. 

Scott Shea SJS