Trea Turner Washington Nationals

Age: 26 (June 30, 1993) | 6' 2" | 185lbs. | Bats: Right SS-122 PH-3 PR-1
Tm Lg YEAR G AB R H BB SO 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BA OBP SLG BB% SO% BABIP G/L/F % $4x4 $5x5
WAS AA 2015 10 39 6 14 1 8 4 1 0 4 4 0 .359 .366 .513 2 20 .438 n/a
SD AA 2015 58 227 31 73 24 48 13 3 5 35 11 4 .322 .385 .471 9 19 .389 n/a
WAS AAA 2015 48 188 31 59 13 41 7 3 3 15 14 2 .314 .353 .431 6 20 .381 n/a
WAS NL 2015 27 40 5 9 4 12 1 0 1 1 2 2 .225 .295 .325 9 27 .296 50/21/29 1 1
WAS AAA 2016 83 331 61 100 37 72 22 8 6 33 25 2 .302 .370 .471 10 20 .369 n/a
WAS NL 2016 73 307 53 105 14 59 14 8 13 40 33 6 .342 .370 .567 4 18 .388 43/25/32 32 27
WAS A+ 2017 4 12 1 2 0 3 1 0 0 1 0 1 .167 .154 .250 0 23 .200 n/a
WAS AAA 2017 3 9 0 0 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 .100 0.00 10 40 0.00 n/a
WAS NL 2017 98 412 75 117 30 80 24 6 11 45 46 8 .284 .338 .451 7 18 .329 52/15/34 34 29
WAS NL 2018 162 664 103 180 69 132 27 6 19 73 43 9 .271 .344 .416 9 18 .314 49/18/33 40 36
WAS A+ 2019 2 8 1 1 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 .125 .222 .125 11 44 .250 n/a
WAS NL 2019 122 521 96 155 43 113 37 5 19 57 35 5 .298 .353 .497 8 20 .348 47/20/33 36 33
Career 5yrs 482 1944 332 566 160 396 103 25 63 216 159 30 .291 .348 .467 8 19 .338 n/a
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My take. Before Turner's last stride his running inside the base line impeded Gurriel's attempt to catch the throw bc he had to wait that extra split for Turner to clear and avoid getting his glove arm ripped off to get set to make the catch and that's where the interference occurred. 


If anyone begs to differ let them try standing on first and catch a throw from a major league pitcher with a runner running right at them. 

van wilhoite LVW
Oct 30

Fangraphs has a good look at the play as well as a bunch of similar plays, including the 98 ALCS (Knoblach).  Also includes a 2 min instructional video with ump Ted Barrett.  Barrett's take is that if the runner is in the lane and then veers to touch the bag - safe.  If running on the infield side and gets hit even in last couple of steps - out.   https://blogs.fangraphs.com/a-dumb-rule-almost-ruined-the-world-series/

JC Martin and Mets fandom think Turner was safe :-)  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpxkTbNbG-w


Rich Slomovitz Rickshaws
Oct 30

I agree that this is interesting and your comment about whether or not Turner would have been safe is a good one.  What makes it even more difficult to reason is that Turner is a right handed batter and his shortest path to first base is not allowed by the rules.

Also, from the rule:

Rule 5.09(a)(11) Comment: The lines marking the three-foot lane are a part of that lane and a batter-runner is required to have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the three foot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base.

So Turner IS allowed outside the lane in order to touch first base (a lane that he would have had to run out of his way to get to in the first place).  He has to be allowed back in fair territory (and outside the lane) or he can't touch first base at all.  And it is clear that he is just about touching first base as the throw is getting there. In my opinion, Turner is justifiably called out only if he is still a few steps away from the bag.

I'm just glad Rendon hit that homer and none of this really matters.

Gary Cruciani Megary
Oct 30

There is so much interesting to this ... it seems like Megary expresses the majority opinion ... which I 1/2 agree with and 1/2 disagree with ... I agree with "I don't like the rule" ... I disagree with "I think the call was wrong" ... I think the call was based upon the rule ... it's what I *WANT* an umpire to do ... so that now it's clearer to more people what the rule is and that maybe it's not the best that the rule can be (but maybe it is!).

In this case, it's VERY clear that, no only did he *not* "have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane" ... he *never* once stepped *one* foot in the lane!  And ... "in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base".

Watch what the ump does ... seems like perfect mechanics to me!  It's what we want the ump to do!  He should be being praised!

I think this is what "fake news" is ... if the "reporters" on the scene (Buck and Smoltz) know and communicate the facts (ie. quote the rule) right from the get go ... we, the baseball fan nation, are in a different place this morning.  Instead, they said what they thought the rule was (?), or what they want the rule to be (?), or ... the conspiracy theorists will say that they are following orders to stir up the most controversy, which gets better ratings!  Whatever ...

I think I get the argument about the "bad throw" ... the other twist on this argument, imo, is if he beat the throw!  In that case, when does it stop mattering that he wasn't in the lane?  But what I see is the reality that Turner "interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base".

If Turner takes the route to the bag that the rule (and his coaching, supposedly) says he should have ... would he have interfered with the fielder?  Would he still have beaten the throw to the bag?  I dunno ... and I think that's part of why the rule is what it is ... and why (I presume) the ump training on how to call the rule is what it is ... 

When Dave Martinez taunts the ump with "Wait till you see the replay!" ... well ... my hope is that when Dave Martinez sees the replay, he'll see that Turner was not in the lane and the ump made the correct call and will apologize for his behavior ... he was wrong on more than one level.

Pretty interesting case study ... maybe it doesn't get resolved until a more fuzzy situation occurs ... where the runner has his right foot in the lane but not his left, for example ... or ... ideally ... both feet in the lane for most of the lane but his left foot clearly out of the lane on its last step before the bag! Ooo, that'd be a doozy!

Howard Lynch LynchMob
Oct 30

"In running the last half of the distance from home base to

first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he
runs outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line, or inside
(to the left of ) the foul line, and in the umpire’s judgment
in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at
first base,..."


I don't like the rule.  It doesn't explain where the runner "could" run.  Only where he can't.  And, not surprisingly, I think the call was wrong.  If Harold disagrees with me, I'm only more convinced. :)

You can't run to first base at full speed completely in foul territory and safely step on the bag.  Can't do it.  If you run straight down the line, technically half of your body will be in fair territory and half will be in foul territory.  Yes Turner started off running in fair territory, but at the time the ball arrives, he is in a reasonable and safe position to touch the bag.  Could he have been 6 more inches to the foul side, sure.  But he certainly couldn't have been completely in foul territory.  That would be unrealistic and inherently unsafe.

You know, sometimes a bad throw is just that.  A bad throw.

Gary Cruciani Megary
Oct 30

I do not understand the controversy ... have you really never seen this called before?  I did not see the play live ... but when I saw my first snip of replay, it was clear to me ... he wasn't in the lane ... simple ...

Here's the rule ... Rule 5.09(a) (11) In running the last half of the distance from home base to
first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he
runs outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line, or inside
(to the left of ) the foul line, and in the umpire’s judgment
in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at
first base, in which case the ball is dead; except that he
may run outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line or
inside (to the left of ) the foul line to avoid a fielder
attempting to field a batted ball;
Rule 5.09(a)(11) Comment: The lines marking the three-foot
lane are a part of that lane and a batter-runner is required to
have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the threefoot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first
base.

You may not like the rule ... but it is what it is ... it was a good call.

Howard Lynch LynchMob
Oct 30

Does Joe Torre have to support the ump? Is that his job?

What a terrible job if so. What a disappointing stream of gibberish if not.

Alex Patton Alex
Oct 30

The team stays on the field to watch the Cubs lose. Very cool.

https://www.mlb.com/video/maikel-franco-lines-out-to-center-fielder-victor-robles

Alex Patton Alex
Sep 25

Joined the 30-SB club this afternoon.

In the revised formula at the end of the season, his value will take a big jump.

Alex Patton Alex
Sep 2

Went for 43, 42, and 38 in CBS, LABR, and Tout.

The guys here did a lot better job ... even if Turner hadn't missed time.

The so-so OBP takes its toll, I think.


Phil Ponebshek Texpope
Jul 23