Thread: Stage Four

It doesn’t exist. But we keep hoping.

Welcome! You are invited to wander around and read all of the comments that have been posted here at Patton & Co., but as soon as you register you can see the bid limits that Alex, Peter and Mike propose for each player, and you can post your own comments. Registering is free, so please join us!

There must be a glitch in the program somewhere. On Peter's screenshot it shows 2003 Pujols on the Angels instead of the Cardinals...which would put 2 Cards players on there in actuality. 

van wilhoite LVW
Apr 7 '20

Using Raines as a 2B in 1983 was my find.  All of my other choices were fairly pedestrian, even though the combination may have been unique.

Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Apr 6 '20

We've been having fun with Project Goat, which was run out of The Athletic by Eno Sarris. The Athletic is a pay site, but the first five to click this link can get a 30-day trial. Not that this is the best time to be trying out a sports news service.

But since the Project Goat contest is closed, we're sharing the spreadsheet that helps you put together your team (and explains the rules). Click here to download it. Trying to solve the challenge is an amazing way to revisit the best baseball seasons since 1980, since Mr. Okrent and friends put that first Rotisserie season together.

Have fun with it, post your finds here (mine was Mark Eichhorn in 1986), and let's be thankful for some baseball fun during these trying times. 

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Apr 6 '20

An excellent Traveling Salesman problem, indeed. 

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Apr 6 '20

I can wait for results. I'll be last. But it was sure a lot of fun.

Alex Patton Alex
Apr 6 '20

I entered another team, swapping out Samuel 84, Donaldson 15 and Scherzer 16 for Raines 83, Jose Bautista 11 and Arrieta 15. I think that's better but it depends on the value of this and that. It's so great that we get the results this week. I'm hard up for results.

Gene McCaffrey GeneM
Apr 6 '20

I lost Gooden to Ricky in 1985, which wasn't gamesmanship but reflected where I started and my sense I couldn't do without Ricky. 

I made values as I do, but it was hard to figure the weight of the quals. So I ran through counting them and then ran through a second time trying to fix things using only quants. 

Hitter, Pitcher, Pitcher, Hitter. And then I fixed things. I was so happy to actually have a legal roster I stopped knowing there was a long way to go.


Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Apr 6 '20

Piazza means no Clayton Kershaw season, among others.  I really wanted Kershaw's season with 300 Ks. Also, taking 97 means no Larry Walker, which I considered the most balanced offensive season.

I think you only beat me in Saves.  That Rodney season is a really nice pull.

I started with the quantitatives.  As I posted, my original team batted .337 and my Ratio was 0.87.  I thought it would be harder to correct quantitatives.  

Regarding common seasons: 

Mauer's season may be the most used.  His avenge blows away the other catcher seasons without giving up HR.  And, he's the only Twin worth considering other than a Johan Santana season.  

There are so many ARod and Bonds seasons it's tough to figure out the best one.  I just used ones that fit the open years for me, so as to avoid a conflict.

Pedro 2000 is likely a huge choice too, even though 1999 competes with it directly and is a reasonable choice. 

Anytime someone doesn't take Gooden '85, I think it's gamesmanship.  His IP/ERA with so many Ks and Wins just can't be beat.

Randy Johnson 02 is also hard to pass up unless you go with his 370+ season.  Maddux 95 is likely a near unanimous too, unless people are too put off by the low Ks.  His ERA/Ratio are absurd.  I think you shorted him some IP, affecting both.

My desire for quantitatives is how I got Pujols and Miggy, but I should have had Miggy at 3B and Ryan Howard's MVP instead of Schmidt 1980 - would have gotten more HR and RBI, plus gotten my avg up to .330.  The 12 steals probably aren't as important.

With the quantitatives, I did a lot of sorts in the player index.  I started with all 20-40 and 40-20 seasons and sorted by Avg/RBI/Runs/SB/HR.  I sorted a lot by position as well.  I came close on Molitor a few times.  But, he never had the one perfect season with the average, SB, and Runs.  That's how I finished with Hanley 07.  .335 125 Runs 29 HR and 51 SB.  It's near perfect, just light in RBI.  Roberto Alomar, Yount, Trammell 87, a few others are very balanced, but not dominant in any one category.  Eric Davis' 87 is also near perfect.  A .293 average is a drag.  Bonds 93, Walker 97, Pudge Rodriguez 04 are all perfect seasons.  5 category dominance.  Not the most valuable, necessarily, but the most balanced across all 5 categories.  



Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Apr 5 '20

It's going to be interesting to see which lines are common and which useful ones are uncommon. I started with a ranking of all the seasons, and worked down, trying to incorporate the best ones. It's hard to imagine many seasons below where I fetched Robin Young (who other people had) that add more. At which point it come down to: Piazza. He is the stinker, since he's so much better than all the other catchers, but he cuts you out of so many Dodgers. Is it right or wrong to roster him? It would take some more hours to figure that out.

After I posted my list I looked through and saw some lines that might improve my team. But I also saw we all landed on a lot of the same seasons. An excellent project.

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Apr 5 '20

Nine of our player/seasons are identical.

Gene McCaffrey GeneM
Apr 5 '20