Thread: Stage Four

It doesn’t exist. But we keep hoping.

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The main points:

... over the last two or three years, my home league feels more out of sync with fantasy baseball than it used to feel. Part of this is probably because it’s a dinosaur of a league: a 33-year-old Rotisserie-style, AL-only league that stubbornly clings to 4×4 despite multiple attempts to join the early twenty-first century. But it’s not merely that. What used to be an intuitive and comprehensible format to new members has felt confusing and difficult to the last two or three people who joined our ranks. After a brief period where I kept getting frustrated that the newbies didn’t understand the rules, I realized that it’s not them. It’s us.

 ... deep leagues have become even more onerous thanks to major-league teams carrying 12-13 pitchers. There isn’t really much for us to do during the regular season on the hitting side unless a minor leaguer who isn’t already in our farm system (we can keep up to four minor leaguers at the beginning of the year) is promoted or if someone is traded from the “other” league. While the mono leagues in Tout Wars are similarly limiting, the freedom to speculate on minor leaguers and injured players via FAAB offers an additional wrinkle that keeps us more involved.

 The same can be said for the unlimited reserve list my league uses for non-active major leaguers... Scott Pianowski of Yahoo! argued against the concept of an unlimited injured list for years, and I passionately argued against him. Now, I must belatedly concede he was right. A deeper free-agent list keeps things interesting during the season; seeing a team in my league with a combination of 28 minor league and IL players on reserve is somewhat demoralizing.

 These drawbacks would be irrelevant if everyone in the league was as passionate and involved as they were a few years ago. Unfortunately, we’ve been locked into a familiar pattern of behavior the last few seasons:

  • Three or four teams clearly have the best rosters coming into the auction. Little changes during the auction; if anything, the strongest teams get even better.
  • Because of this somewhat obvious hierarchy (to most), teams at the bottom of the standings don’t try to improve and compete. The teams at the top don’t do much either, as they know eventually the teams at the bottom will give up and play for next year.
  • The teams in the middle are caught in a crunch. They’re not bad enough to immediately give up, but they’re not good enough to trade their way into serious contention …. which doesn’t matter, because no one is trading (see No. 2).
  • Finally, in late June or early July, the worst teams in the league give up on the season. They trade their expensive chips or players with expiring contracts to the top three or four teams in contention.

This pattern makes the league predictable, but it also saps interest during the season. Attempts to make a fair, this-year-for-this-year swap are thwarted frequently because it pays to wait for teams to start giving up. Why trade Justin Verlander for Mookie Betts when you can wait until June and trade a cheap Lucas Giolito for Betts and an option-year Charlie Morton? The larger problem with this pattern is that it creates a mushy middle where teams can’t do enough to win in July via trade unless they’re in the top two or three. Trading your future assets on July 15 to finish third instead of fifth might appeal to some, but it doesn’t appeal to most...

Alex Patton Alex
Aug 9

The paywall strikes again!

Bob Elam Bob-in-TX
Aug 9

An annual request:  who has/knows of a good source for reasonably compact Opening Day rosters?  Yes, Roster Resource is great -- but hard to get into a reasonably small format.  Rotoworld, as we discovered two years ago, didn't have the most up-to-date rosters.  This is important for our league's rules -- I just need Teams/Names, that's it.  If anyone knows of a good source, I'd appreciate it.  In a perfect world, I'd like to get all the AL teams on one legal-sized page.

Mike Dean TMU2009
Mar 19

Hampson, Steckenrider and Peralta

joel schreier jschri
Mar 19

Here's how Tout answered this weekend.

Justin Turner 24

Zobrist 7

Hampson 18

Peralta 19

Grandal 16

Steckenrider 4

Nelson 7

Stripling 10

So they're all keeps!

And all except Hampson are close.

At the price I'd definitely keep Hanson but be aware that McMahon poses a major threat to playing time.

My second keep would be Turner. Just a feeling he's going to have a big year. (My bid, like Tout's, reflects injury risk.)

My third would be Grandal because of catcher scarcity.

Alex Patton Alex
Mar 19

Help! which 3 more do i keep (4x4 NL only - already keeping Trea, Dahl & Vazquez)

Justin Turner $20

Zobrist $6

Hampson $7

Peralta $19

Grandal $11

Steckenrider $1

Jimmy Nelson $3

Stripling $7


mark maurer Tuffy
Mar 19

Awaiting final keepers tomorrow, but best estimates put my league at 13.5% hitting inflation and 12.5% pitching inflation.  

Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Mar 18

I posted this elsewhere a few days ago and got a comment from Alex, but now that I know how to find threads, I think this belongs here:

I'm in a 12-team, 6x6 (OPS and QS), H2H, mixed Yahoo!. I've done very well in it
almost every year, thanks primarily to the software and wisdom of this
site. I know values for small mixed leagues aren't linear; you cheat the good players and
dramatically increase the salaries for the Trouts and Scherzers of the
Roto world. And since it's H2H with QS, I've basically eliminated closers from consideration.

Is there an accepted wisdom yet on how much to increase the best players, and
how far down the list you go before prices normalize? For example, I
currently (pre-inflation) have Trout at $71, Yelich at $55, Bregman (#10) at $49, Rendon
(#31) at $26/par, Tommy Pham (#50) at $12, and Contreras/Pillar/Seager
as the beginning of the $1 hitters. Does this seem OK?

T.J. Rohr TJRohr
Mar 16

diehard - then ... while your league is in "change mode" ... next year you can upgrade from BA to OBP :-)

Then, it seems like you'd be slightly more than slightly more in accord with what real baseball players are worth!  And that'd make your 5x5 "more fun"!  IMO ...

Howard Lynch LynchMob
Mar 13