Thread: Stage Four

It doesn’t exist. But we keep hoping.

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Tim McLeod tlmcleod
Dec 15 '15

Having catcher eligibility this year makes him even more attractive. I'd be more inclined to trade him if I thought he would lose that part of the profile after this year than if I thought he'd keep it.

van wilhoite LVW
Dec 11 '15

So I raise for you the "Schwarber Conundrum" for your amusement and hopefully, my education.

I have been terrible in PCL. Eleventh place this past year.

Schwarber 15:2 represents my best player.

I have a ton of rookie pitchers, two closers (Zeigler / Familia), and a few okay hitters.

The conundrum then is do I cut to the bone in April, but keep Schwarber and try to build around him.  Or offer him around and see if I can get a package of three or four solid keepers to build on.

Kent Ostby Seadogs
Dec 10 '15

He popped right up for me and I posted a comment for him.

Alex Patton Alex
Dec 9 '15

Folks, I'm not finding Ben Revere in the database.

Scott Shea SJS
Dec 8 '15
I mean the labeling.  Players who get to more balls have more risk of errors, but also official scorers save fielders they like, sometimes help or hurt pitchers by making runs earned for personal reasons, and do the same with awarding hits versus errors for batters.  I just find the whole thing distasteful.  Unless it's a straight boot on a ball that's not hit especially on the screws or throwing the ball away like Steve Sax or Chuck Knoblauch I don't think errors should be awarded at all.
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Nov 30 '15
Eugene, when you say errors are subjective, do you mean the labeling of errors is subjective? Or that errors don't necessarily define a good fielder?
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Nov 29 '15

Can we have a Doubt Wars X? Anything that attempts to factor in defense I'd love to play.

Alex Patton Alex
Nov 29 '15


For hitting you probably want PA not just AB.  Rather than OPS, break it into two categories.  OBP and ISO.  It's too bad there isn't a regularly recorded stat for taking the extra base minus baserunner kills because that would be nice to add to SB-CS.

For pitching I'd also add K-BB.  If K, BB, and HR are the non-defense related things pitchers can control (I'm not totally sold on that) I would make sure you count K and BB somehow.

A RF type stat might be the best type of thing you can measure.  PO+Assists.  The question is whether you want to use it as a ratio to defensive innings or not - using innings makes the stat look closer than it is; not using them reward bad defenders who play a lot versus great defenders who don't play much.  Errors are very subjective, so I would avoid using them.  

Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Nov 29 '15

Fangraphs has one that's easy to access called Defensive Runs Above Average(Fielding Runs + Positional Adjustment). Istbasemen don't fare well in that stat so it would counter their advantage they have in the other defense category that involves fielding percentage and chances.

Just throwing that out there.

van wilhoite LVW
Nov 29 '15