Thread: Stage Four

It doesn’t exist. But we keep hoping.

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Syd makes two customers running the software and WINE, apparently happily. I think it is easiest for those running Lion (10.7), because you need to download a couple of pieces of software in earlier versions of OS X, but it is doable.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Feb 21 '12
For those of you on a Mac: I am able (with Rotoman's help) to run the Patton software using WINE on a Mac running OS 10.7x.
Don't let that hold you back any longer.
Feb 20 '12
I hope you can bundle some of them for a better one.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Feb 17 '12
Rotoman, we followed your advice last year, almost, and went with a plateau keeper system 7 for 10th and 11th, 8 for 9th, 9 for 7th and everybody else gets 10.

Naturally, after I introduce the rule change last season, I finish last and am left trying to figure out which 7 out of 10 potential keepers to actually keep.
Feb 16 '12
@Lynchmob: Butte shaped (or mountain top removal) means 4 keeps for 12th and first, 5 for 2nd and 11th, 6 keeps for 3 and 10th, 7 keeps for 4th and 9th, and a big flat 8 for 8th, 7th, 6th, and 5th.

The other was just stupid: Reserve picks go 5th through 12th, the 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Feb 16 '12
In response to Seadogs and where to put the money from punting saves, I don't think it makes any difference whether the place is pitching or hitting. It's where you're going to move up in two or three categories.

Let's say you are in a 5x5 league, and you need about 90 points to win. That's fourth in each category of a 12-team league.

If you punt saves, and fall to 1 point (a bonus point for doing nothing) you need to get that 8 points somewhere else. In 5x5, it makes sense to punt saves as getting to 4th in saves is going to cost you more than $15. Where you go with the $15 depends on where the auction is going, but I think you'd spend it on players with more certainty than on speculation. Spread it where you can top two or three categories to pick up 8 points or more, which may mean starting pitching for wins and Ks or hitting to get HRs and RBI. I've seen people spend their punt money on two categories where they already were at or near the top, thus never seeing any benefit of the punt.
David Molyneaux NeauxBrainr
Feb 16 '12
Our rules that prevent dumping actually weren't developed to prevent dumping per se. But, that's been a unintentional consequence. The $360 in season cap was put in for dumping. We don't have a floor. So was the no trading for minor league prospects. However the rest weren't.

The 5 keepers rule evolved up rather than down. We started with two keepers and moved to five after season 3. We've stuck with it ever since. Same with the option or extend the first year. I think that's the most effective anti-dumping rule, but it was created our first season and has never changed.

Our reserve draft order was created to keep teams interested in moving up in the standings later in the season- keep them bidding their FAAB $, etc. It may make a team in 7th more hesitant to dump b/c they will get a better prospect the next year, but that's by chance more than design.
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Feb 16 '12
I didn't put my league's rules in place..well, actually, for our NL I did, since I knew everyone wanted/liked the cap. I can live with the soft is a fair compromise in my mind.

I am also not criticizing anyone...every league is different and every league has its own problems that need to be addressed. I am thankful that we have some pretty great owners in my two regular leagues, and we have very few issues we need to address.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 16 '12

I agree with all that you are against regarding dump trades.

But doesn't have an in-season soft cap 'place limitations on how rich the rich can get'? As a matter of fact, you could argue that it also interferes with the free market.

Most people think you should do something about dumping, but most people also don't want to do those things you mentioned. Problem is, I haven't seen an anti-dumping measure that doesn't somehow infringe on the free market, or limit how rich the rich can become.

It seems to me that I have to leave my high-minded ideology behind in order to make the game of fantasy baseball work better. (Wait, no maybe I'M talking about Congress).
Keith Prosseda andypro
Feb 16 '12
Toz -- While I listed three that I think effect it, only the $330 rule was actually passed to stop it.

The "hole" in the rule are the ultra cheap superstars. Last year Kemp was traded at a salary of 7 (last year).
Kent Ostby Seadogs
Feb 16 '12