Roy Halladay Philadelphia Phillies

Age: 44 (May 14, 1977) | aka Doc | 6' 6" | 225lbs. | Throws: Right
Tm Lg YEAR W L SV Hld G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA WHIP Rating BB/9 SO/9 BABIP G/L/F % $4x4 $5x5
TOR AL 1998 1 0 0 0 2 2 14.0 9 2 2 13 1.93 0.79 0.93 1.3 8.4 .209 n/a
TOR AL 1999 8 7 1 0 36 18 149.1 156 19 79 82 3.92 1.57 1.50 4.8 4.9 .288 n/a
TOR AL 2000 4 7 0 0 19 13 67.2 107 14 42 44 10.64 2.20 2.20 5.6 5.9 .388 n/a
TOR AL 2001 5 3 0 0 17 16 105.1 97 3 25 96 3.16 1.16 1.08 2.1 8.2 .319 n/a
TOR AL 2002 19 7 0 0 34 34 239.1 223 10 62 168 2.93 1.19 1.12 2.3 6.3 .296 n/a 35
TOR AL 2003 22 7 0 0 36 36 266.0 253 26 32 204 3.25 1.07 1.16 1.1 6.9 .294 n/a 44
TOR AL 2004 8 8 0 0 21 21 133.0 140 13 39 95 4.20 1.35 1.35 2.6 6.4 .312 n/a 9
TOR AL 2005 12 4 0 0 19 19 141.2 118 11 18 108 2.41 0.96 1.01 1.1 6.9 .269 n/a 31
TOR AL 2006 16 5 0 0 32 32 220.0 208 19 34 132 3.19 1.10 1.15 1.4 5.4 .279 n/a 34
TOR AL 2007 16 7 0 0 31 31 225.1 232 15 48 139 3.71 1.24 1.24 1.9 5.6 .304 n/a 23 20
TOR AL 2008 20 11 0 0 34 33 246.0 220 18 39 206 2.78 1.05 1.08 1.4 7.5 .293 n/a 42 36
TOR AL 2009 17 10 0 0 32 32 239.0 234 22 35 208 2.79 1.13 1.19 1.3 7.8 .313 n/a 38 33
PHI NL 2010 21 10 0 0 33 33 250.1 231 24 30 219 2.44 1.04 1.13 1.1 7.9 .298 n/a 43 36
PHI NL 2011 19 6 0 0 32 32 233.1 208 10 35 220 2.35 1.04 1.03 1.4 8.5 .311 51/19/31 37 36
PHI NL 2012 11 8 0 0 25 25 156.0 155 18 36 132 4.50 1.22 1.28 2.1 7.6 .308 45/23/32 6 9
PHI R 2013 0 0 0 0 1 1 6.0 6 1 3 4 4.50 1.50 1.50 4.5 6.0 .279 n/a
PHI A 2013 0 0 0 0 1 1 6.0 7 0 3 4 1.50 1.67 1.42 4.5 6.0 .351 n/a
PHI NL 2013 4 5 0 0 13 13 62.0 55 12 36 51 6.82 1.47 1.47 5.2 7.4 .258 41/21/38 -9 -4
Career 16yrs 203 105 1 0 416 390 2748.1 2646 236 592 2117 3.39 1.18 1.20 1.9 6.9 .300 n/a
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Yeah I feel like the Phils are going to regret this one. Drabek is a great prospect although he is an injury risk and Taylor is pretty damn good as well. Plus they gave up Lee, who was fantastic for them especially in the playoffs: 5 GS, 4 W, 40.1 IP, 1.56 ERA.

It is puzzling why they simply didn't wait for Doc to become a FA or better yet, get him in the middle of the season.

M's make out like bandits in this one. They essentially gave up nothing for a legit ace. Can someone please explain what the Phils were thinking here?
eun park EPark
Dec 15 '09
I'm not sure what accounts you are reading. Drabek is a #2 starter arm B+/A- prospect. Aumont has been mishandled and made a short reliever. Stretching him back out costs at least a year. He's a B level prospect. Taylor is another B+ and has a ML ready bat. He's going to be dealt to Oakland for Brett Wallace, but that's another high end prospect traded from Philly. The Catcher is a C+/B-, but catchers develop older generally so his ceiling is limited by his lack of hitting. The other players the Phils got were likely B/B- prospects. They downgraded from B+, B+, C+ to B, B-, B-. I'd say that they lost on prospects. But, you can't look at this in a prospect vacuum. They get Halladay for 4 years with two options. They had Lee for 1 year and would have gotten 2 draft picks as compensation.

The real question is, is the 3 extra years of Halladay (maybe as many as 5) worth two downgraded prospects and two draft picks? I say they broke even but have more certainty, which when you're a front runner is a good thing.

The Mariners did VERY well trading B, B, B- for Lee and two first round picks (when he walks after the season).

The Blue Jays did well. One year of Halladay for a B+, B+, C+ is very good, when the B+ is dealt for another B+ who's already capable at the ML level.
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Dec 15 '09
Except Doc isn't all they got. Aumont's raw, but they gave 3 prospects and got 3...

From all accounts, the prospects in return are reasonably close in value to the ones they gave up. Perhaps further away, but not sure that's a chief concern for Philly. Will be interesting to see if either of the arms gets moved to relief.

Deal looks to me great for Seattle, respectable for everyone else. Don't see a big loser here, though Philly basically treads water to gain some cost/roster certainty and lefty/righty balance in the rotation
Justin Dowling BGWoodsman
Dec 15 '09
Gave up Taylor not Brown... Still seems like they gave up plenty for Doc.
eun park EPark
Dec 15 '09
The final 2009 bid limits that were posted for this player:
AP 4x4: $33 MF 5x5: $35 PK mixed: $36
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 15 '09
Rumor is that Lee is one of the guys involved in the trade. I like Halladay but if they are giving up Lee and Brown then that is just too much.
eun park EPark
Dec 15 '09
As for my M's, if we are getting Lee, even as an one year rental, count me in. After the disaster of the Bavasi years, it is so nice to have a good GM in Seattle.
Dan Domike SeattleDan
Dec 14 '09
I don't need to say it, I suspect, but that's the NL.

Big question: If they could have gotten Halladay for prospects, and kept Lee, wouldn't they be, like, um, superawesome this year?

I don't know what the final deal is, but if I could have had Halladay for Drabek and Brown? Sign me up. A rotation of Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Blanton and, well, me, would be good enough to win the NL East. And I'm a few miles south of replacement player.

Oh, and don't they have Andrew Carpenter coming? Wouldn't he be a fine fifth, at some point, if not the start of the season?

I will admit, better than me.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 14 '09
I don't need to say it, I suspect, but that's the NL.

Big question: If they could have gotten Halladay for prospects, and kept Lee, wouldn't they be, like, um, superawesome this year?

I don't know what the final deal is, but if I could have had Halladay for Drabek and Brown? Sign me up. A rotation of Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Blanton and, well, me, would be good enough to win the NL East. And I'm a few miles south of replacement player.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 14 '09
Sounds like he's coming here to Philly.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 14 '09