Roger Clemens Boston Red Sox

Age: 59 (August 04, 1962) | aka Rocket | 6' 4" | 235lbs. | Throws: Right
Tm Lg YEAR W L SV Hld G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA WHIP Rating BB/9 SO/9 BABIP G/L/F % $4x4 $5x5
BOS AL 1984 9 4 0 0 21 20 133.1 146 13 29 126 4.32 1.31 1.35 2.0 8.5 .347 n/a
BOS AL 1985 7 5 0 0 15 15 98.1 83 5 37 74 3.29 1.22 1.11 3.4 6.8 .277 n/a
BOS AL 1986 24 4 0 0 33 33 254.0 179 21 67 238 2.48 0.97 0.96 2.4 8.4 .248 n/a
BOS AL 1987 20 9 0 0 36 36 281.2 248 19 83 256 2.97 1.18 1.13 2.7 8.2 .298 n/a
BOS AL 1988 18 12 0 0 35 35 264.0 217 17 62 291 2.93 1.06 1.04 2.1 9.9 .306 n/a
BOS AL 1989 17 11 0 0 35 35 253.1 215 20 93 230 3.13 1.22 1.15 3.3 8.2 .287 n/a
BOS AL 1990 21 6 0 0 31 31 228.1 193 7 54 209 1.93 1.08 1.01 2.1 8.2 .300 n/a
BOS AL 1991 18 10 0 0 35 35 271.1 219 15 65 241 2.62 1.05 1.01 2.2 8.0 .280 n/a
BOS AL 1992 18 11 0 0 32 32 246.2 203 11 62 208 2.41 1.07 1.02 2.3 7.6 .283 n/a
BOS AL 1993 11 14 0 0 29 29 191.2 175 17 67 160 4.46 1.26 1.22 3.1 7.5 .293 n/a
BOS AL 1994 9 7 0 0 24 24 170.2 124 15 71 168 2.85 1.14 1.07 3.7 8.9 .258 n/a
BOS AL 1995 10 5 0 0 23 23 140.0 141 15 60 132 4.18 1.44 1.38 3.9 8.5 .324 n/a
BOS AL 1996 10 13 0 0 34 34 242.2 216 19 106 257 3.63 1.33 1.23 3.9 9.5 .316 n/a
TOR AL 1997 21 7 0 0 34 34 264.0 204 9 68 292 2.05 1.03 0.95 2.3 10.0 .301 n/a
TOR AL 1998 20 6 0 0 33 33 234.2 169 11 88 271 2.65 1.10 0.98 3.4 10.4 .288 n/a
NYA AL 1999 14 10 0 0 30 30 187.2 185 20 90 163 4.60 1.47 1.39 4.3 7.8 .311 n/a
NYA AL 2000 13 8 0 0 32 32 204.1 184 26 84 188 3.70 1.31 1.30 3.7 8.3 .289 n/a
NYA AL 2001 20 3 0 0 33 33 220.1 205 19 72 213 3.51 1.26 1.22 2.9 8.7 .313 n/a
NYA AL 2002 13 6 0 0 29 29 180.0 172 18 63 192 4.35 1.31 1.28 3.2 9.6 .328 n/a 12
NYA AL 2003 17 9 0 0 33 33 211.2 199 24 58 190 3.91 1.21 1.25 2.5 8.1 .301 n/a 24
HOU NL 2004 18 4 0 0 33 33 214.1 169 15 79 218 2.98 1.16 1.08 3.3 9.2 .285 n/a 33
HOU NL 2005 13 8 0 0 32 32 211.1 151 11 62 185 1.87 1.01 0.94 2.6 7.9 .254 n/a 42
HOU NL 2006 7 6 0 0 19 19 113.1 89 7 29 102 2.30 1.04 1.01 2.3 8.1 .274 n/a 23
NYA AL 2007 6 6 0 0 18 17 99.0 99 9 31 68 4.18 1.31 1.29 2.8 6.2 .299 n/a 6 7
Career 24yrs 354 184 0 0 709 707 4916.2 4185 363 1580 4672 3.12 1.17 1.12 2.9 8.6 .294 n/a
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Yeah, I just did a little Googling on the BWWAA/internet writers issue, and it's hard not to conclude that the BBWAA is quite the collection of grumpy old ink-stained douchebags. Sheesh.
Mike Dean TMU2009
Jan 11 '13
Remember that it takes 10 years of membership to qualify for a ballot and Rob Neyer had just gotten membership after writing for ESPN for 15 years. But, when he went to SBNation, BWWAA suspended his membership, saying it wasn't a baseball, or sports related, widely circulated publication. So, BP and Fangraphs guys, as they move around, could lose their memberships before they vest.
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Jan 11 '13
Good article on Grantland by Jonah Keri re: the HOF froo-froo -- for me, one of the most interesting points, which I didn't know, is:

"A new generation of analytically oriented and generally more open-minded voters has gained BBWAA membership over the past few years, and before you know it Keith Law and Christina Kahrl and the crews from Baseball Prospectus and FanGraphs and similar publications will be able to cast their own Hall of Fame votes."

So if the old guys, uh, age out of the system (so to speak), and new guys are coming in . . . some of these issues will resolve themselves.

Article's at: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47091/the-fallacy-of-the-baseball-hall-of-fame
Mike Dean TMU2009
Jan 11 '13
garryoak -

Funny, I'd go the other way - if I had to pick one, I'd vote Bonds before Clemons. Clemons was a colossal jerk, Bonds was just a jerk.

But, you may be right about the disparity. I'm guessing there's still 8-12 voters who are 80+ who have the attitude 'I didn't vote for Jackie Robinson, and I'm not voting for Bonds, either'.

But, it's a small enough sample now as not to matter anymore. In other words, no need to get the Reverand Al on this just yet.
Keith Prosseda andypro
Jan 10 '13
Jumping from tbe Bonds thread - I'm not sure that both halves of Clemens career would have been HOF locks ... but his Boston half sure would, compared with Sandy Koufax:

Clemens - 192 W, 2590 K, 144 ERA+, 3 Cys, 1 MVP
Koufax - 165 W, 2396 K, 131 ERA+, 3 Cys, 1 MVP

Post Boston?
162 W, 2082 K, 140 ERA+, 4 Cys

Phil Ponebshek Texpope
Jan 10 '13
I'm poaching this from another site, it gave me pause when i read it, and in some ways I think the author was spot on.

"Barry Bonds and Rogers Clemens actually receive different vote totals, which makes very little sense. No sense, in fact. How are they anything but a package deal? 8 more votes for Clemens over Bonds.
I’d love to hear an explanation from the 8 writers who voted for Clemens and not Bonds. Because obviously one thing comes to mind immediately."

Garry Oak garryoak
Jan 10 '13
My guess is the difference is that Clemens gave better interviews. Bonds gave none.
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Jan 10 '13
Granted you aren't going to get 573 people to agree on anything, but how is it that 214 voted for Clemens in his first year of eligibility, while only 208 voted for Bonds?
Alex Patton Alex
Jan 9 '13