Mychal Givens Baltimore Orioles

Age: 29 (May 13, 1990) | 6' 0" | 210lbs. | Throws: Right P-69
Tm Lg YEAR W L SV Hld G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA WHIP Rating BB/9 SO/9 BABIP G/L/F % $4x4 $5x5
BAL A+ 2014 1 2 3 0 18 0 33.1 21 2 16 27 3.24 1.11 0.96 4.3 7.3 .221 n/a
BAL AA 2014 0 0 0 0 18 0 25.1 19 0 23 28 3.91 1.66 1.20 8.2 9.9 .304 n/a
DES AFL 2014 0 2 0 0 10 0 11.2 12 0 8 8 3.09 1.71 1.37 6.2 6.2 .325 n/a
BAL AA 2015 4 2 15 0 35 0 57.1 38 1 16 79 1.73 0.94 0.83 2.5 12.4 .309 n/a
BAL AL 2017 8 1 0 21 69 0 78.2 57 10 25 88 2.75 1.04 1.07 2.9 10.1 .260 43/17/40 16 14
BAL AL 2018 0 7 9 15 69 0 76.2 61 4 30 79 3.99 1.19 1.07 3.5 9.3 .294 36/24/39 7 7
BAL AL 2019 0 3 4 3 18 0 22.1 21 5 11 29 5.64 1.43 1.52 4.4 11.7 .320 47/18/35 0 1
Career 3yrs 8 11 13 39 156 0 177.2 139 19 66 196 3.65 1.15 1.13 3.3 9.9 .282 n/a
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Baltimore Orioles – Mychal Givens had a chance to finally pick up his first save on Thursday, but he blew it by allowing a game-tying homer. The Orioles still won the game, but Givens will have to give it a go another time. Chances will be few and far between for the O’s this season.

Hierarchy remains: *Givens | Fry | Yacabonis.
* = closer-by-committee

Alex Patton Alex
Apr 19

Yes, of course you're right, my argument was irrelevant. In my original comment I was arguing against Wins as a category and noting that Wins for starting pitchers continued to decline, further noting that the number is sure to continue to fall due to the opener. Which is irrelevant to the true starter. Actually, the non-starting true starters should be prized for Wins a la Yarbrough, because pitching 4-5 innings they can do it 40 times a year.

Gene McCaffrey GeneM
Feb 25

An "opener" can't get a win unless he goes 5 innings so how is the true SPs chance to get a Win altered?

jeff merk jeffamerk
Feb 23

My point is that starting pitchers are getting fewer Wins every year. The opener is the starting pitcher. Therefore every time one is used the starting pitcher will not get a Win, and therefore this year the percentage of Wins going to starters is highly likely to fall below 30%. My argument is against Wins as a category.

Gene McCaffrey GeneM
Feb 23
Four if you include the 20-team Regs League, that I'm resurrecting for this year. I have a couple of open slots If you'd like to give it a spin. 9 Bats, 7 SP, 4 man bench with OBP and Save + Holds/2 in play. A fun format.
Tim McLeod tlmcleod
Feb 20

At least three, Tim? You don't know?

Alex Patton Alex
Feb 20

Unless those really bad teams have good young arms that are under team control for an extended period, like Jose LeClerc in Texas. Analyzing closers and bullpen situations in detail simply has to occur to improve the odds for success. If one wishes to reward, instead of punish the middle-reliever in 5x5 Leagues, there is an easy answer. Simply change the Saves category to Saves + (Holds/2). I have at least three Mixed 5x5 15-team Leagues that now use this metric and it works great. It rewards the setup/middle reliever while not destroying the traditional closer role and value.

Tim McLeod tlmcleod
Feb 20

One big thing to worry about, in this day and age, is that really bad teams trade their closers mid-year.

Thus - everyone knew the Royals would suck last year.  Their over/under was 67.5 wins coming into the season.  But Kelvin Herrera was still close to a 30 save pace ... until he got shipped to Washington.

San Diego was tabbed for 73.5 wins.  They actually underperformed that.  But Brad Hand looked like he'd save about 35 games ... until he got shipped to Cleveland.

Phil Ponebshek Texpope
Feb 20

Took a look at some historically bad teams that came to mind to check Rotoman's hypothesis out.  According to BR, the '03 Tigers had 43 wins, 27 saves, but divided among 8 players, with none getting more than 5.  In contrast, the '13 Astros had 32 saves in 51 wins, with Jose Veras getting 19.  The team put up similar numbers the two previous years, albeit with different primary closers.  So, as with any closer, the variable to apply when determining the bid is "how likely is he to retain the job?"  With a really bad team, one would think the likelihood is great, but I'm not sure it is so great in this instance to discount the bid to mid-single digits.  More like high 8 to 10.  If there is any organization that is the least likely to figure out they should be auditioning different guys out at the end of games, in order to increase their July trade value, it is the O's.  Plus, when wins are at a premium for a team, my guess is that the managerial tendency is not to take the chance on a less proven guy blowing one, if for no other reason than to appease the more shorter sighted of a dwindling fan base.

John Thomas Roll2
Feb 20

There are plenty of good reasons not to buy middle relievers in 5x5, but that doesn't mean they aren't rosterable during the season (and available on waivers).

The horrible Orioles team means Givens' total saves are likely capped, as Gene says, but assuming Givens is the closer he's going to get 20-30 saves and will be a better roster than your sixth or seventh starter. What Gene meant to say was don't listen to the people who used to say a closer on a bad team could get as many saves as a closer on a good team.

That was true then, when bad teams weren't as bad as today's bad teams are.

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Feb 20