Matt Wieters St. Louis Cardinals

Age: 34 (May 21, 1986) | 6' 5" | 235lbs. | Bats: Both C-54 PH-11
Tm Lg YEAR G AB R H BB SO 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BA OBP SLG BB% SO% BABIP G/L/F % $4x4 $5x5
BAL AAA 2009 39 141 25 43 20 30 9 2 5 30 0 0 .305 .387 .504 12 18 .352 n/a
BAL AL 2009 96 354 35 102 28 86 15 1 9 43 0 0 .288 .340 .412 7 22 .356 n/a 10 9
BAL AL 2010 130 446 37 111 47 94 22 1 11 55 0 1 .249 .319 .377 9 19 .287 n/a 9 8
BAL AL 2011 139 500 72 131 48 84 28 0 22 68 1 0 .262 .328 .450 9 15 .276 43/18/39 17 16
BAL AL 2012 144 526 67 131 60 112 27 1 23 83 3 0 .249 .329 .435 10 19 .274 44/20/35 17 15
BAL AL 2013 148 523 59 123 43 104 29 0 22 79 2 0 .235 .287 .417 7 18 .247 39/18/44 15 13
BAL AL 2014 26 104 13 32 6 19 5 0 5 18 0 1 .308 .339 .500 5 17 .329 28/30/43 6 6
BAL AA 2015 3 11 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 .182 .231 .182 8 0 .167 n/a
BAL AAA 2015 2 5 2 3 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 .600 .667 1.20 17 0 .500 n/a
BAL AL 2015 75 258 24 69 21 67 14 1 8 25 0 0 .267 .319 .422 7 24 .328 43/25/32 6 6
BAL AL 2016 124 423 48 103 32 85 17 1 17 66 1 0 .243 .302 .409 7 18 .265 36/24/40 11 11
WAS NL 2017 123 422 43 95 38 94 20 0 10 52 1 0 .225 .288 .344 8 20 .264 42/21/36 4 5
WAS A+ 2018 1 4 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250 .250 .250 0 25 .333 n/a
WAS AA 2018 2 6 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 .167 .286 .333 14 29 .250 n/a
WAS NL 2018 76 235 24 56 30 45 8 0 8 30 0 1 .238 .330 .374 11 17 .261 34/21/45 5 5
STL NL 2019 67 168 15 36 12 47 4 0 11 27 1 1 .214 .268 .435 7 26 .223 38/21/41 4 3
STL NL 2020 19 35 3 7 3 10 1 0 0 4 0 0 .200 .300 .229 7 26 .280 40/32/28 -1 -0
Career 12yrs 1167 3994 440 996 368 847 190 5 146 550 9 4 .249 .313 .409 8 19 .279 n/a
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Mike,

I think you're probably right; I wonder if Price's presence on the post-season roster affects that, but I suspect that it doesn't make a difference.

I think I'd take a hitter first regardless, though it may be true that Price will be up sooner, and that makes it closer for me. Not that much closer, though -- if Wieters hits at AAA (which I think he will), he should be up soon enough.

mike fenger mike
Mar 26 '09
I'm not an expert on the rule, but I don't think Price's service time last year counted if he was called up after 8/31.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Mar 26 '09
Heh. Our rules say that if you take a minor leaguer on your reserve list, and he never makes it onto YOUR active roster -- he can't be kept. So the Wieters duel should be good. The guy who took him last year is screaming loudly, because he didn't understand the rule.
Mike Dean TMHoo
Mar 26 '09
Rotoworld reports today that Wieters has been told he'll be starting the season in AAA. As Alex mentions in Price's thread, more money to spread around (and it's not going to Zaun).

Interesting decision in leagues where both Wieters and Price are available -- who's the first pick? I'd go with Wieters, just because once he's up you know he's there to play every day. From the most mercenary POV, doesn't Price need to stay down longer to get the extra year free of arbitration eligibility?
mike fenger mike
Mar 26 '09
In most keeper leagues, he's gone as a farm player, can be kept this year at a relatively cheap salary, and it's moot anyway.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Jan 31 '09
The real reason to draft him is if you're in a rebuilding year and hoping for a Piazza like keeper. And, if you're in a serious enough league to contemplate rebuilding before the auction begins, then there are others who are rebuilding in your league too. That means he's going to be pricey.

If you are playing to win the only way you're going to get him is if everyone in your league includes 11 owners who just woke up from a 2 year slumber.
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Jan 31 '09
The thing is, your take on bid limits implies that your strategy determines your bid limits. That's certainly a valid option, but there's something to be said for setting bid limits and then evaluating what your optimal strategy should be.

Wieters is the type of player where I think you see the winner's curse rear its ugly head. You have to project him for the best case scenario to own him, which means you are minimizing your profit, and maximizing your risk.
Justin Dowling BGWoodsman
Jan 31 '09
I have always been a fan of the $1 catcher.

I typically shy away from going double digits on a catcher because of the high risk.


Keith Cromer Slyke
Dec 19 '08
That's a large part of the rationale with bid limits. Putting a bid limit of $8 on Wieters is your way of saying you don't want him. Putting a $20 bid limit on him says you're going to chase and either get him or make damn sure someone else pays through the nose.

As we all know, bid limits are only guidelines anyway. Depending on how your team looks when Wieters' name is called up, you might chase him to $15 even if is says $8-10 on your sheet. You might also stop at $16 if you've got him listed higher if you think you've got a strong team for 2009 and Wieters is too much of a risk.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 19 '08
Just to go back to Slyke's comment for a second, regardless of the projection, you aren't going to get him for a lot less than $14. Essentially, if you take the position that the bid limit is a lot lower, you are making the decision that you don't want him.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Dec 19 '08