Joba Chamberlain Cleveland Indians

Age: 36 (September 23, 1985) | 6' 3" | 245lbs. | Throws: Right P-20
Tm Lg YEAR W L SV Hld G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA WHIP Rating BB/9 SO/9 BABIP G/L/F % $4x4 $5x5
NYA AAA 2013 0 0 0 0 1 1 1.0 2 0 0 0 0.00 2.00 2.00 0.0 0.0 .415 n/a
NYA AL 2013 2 1 1 0 45 0 42.0 47 8 26 38 4.93 1.74 1.71 5.6 8.1 .327 42/25/34 -4 -1
DET AL 2014 2 5 2 0 69 0 63.0 57 3 24 59 3.57 1.29 1.17 3.4 8.4 .313 53/23/24 2 4
TOR AAA 2015 0 1 2 0 7 0 5.0 9 0 4 7 14.40 2.60 2.20 7.2 12.6 .559 n/a
KC AAA 2015 1 0 0 0 8 0 7.0 11 0 2 9 6.43 1.86 1.71 2.6 11.6 .506 n/a
KC AL 2015 0 2 0 0 36 0 27.1 38 6 9 23 4.94 1.72 1.88 3.0 7.6 .372 42/27/31 -4 -2
CLE AL 2016 0 0 0 0 20 0 20.0 12 1 11 18 2.25 1.15 0.95 5.0 8.1 .223 53/22/25 2 2
CLE AL 2017 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.0 0.0 0.00 n/a 0 0
Career 11yrs 25 21 7 0 385 43 554.1 540 57 226 546 3.82 1.38 1.33 3.7 8.9 .322 n/a
Welcome! You are invited to wander around and read all of the comments that have been posted here at Patton & Co., but as soon as you register you can see the bid limits that Alex, Peter and Mike propose for each player, and you can post your own comments. Registering is free, so please join us!
I was really just referring to one of Alex's earlier comments -- that we'd be reading the comments here, and explaining any changes of mind we had, whether due to changed circumstances or arguments here.

I suppose that an "early read" on actual prices would be interesting, but it's hard to see (1) many people putting full lists up, or even (2) enough people taking it seriously to put up useful numbers.
mike fenger mike
Dec 19 '07
I agree with you Alex about community trickery. Polls are bogus, though I often click to see what moronic opinion the majority holds. But I think when we post prices there is an alternative version that is the collective thought of the readers.

I don't know of any site that lets readers collaborate on prices or projections (some people live for projections, while others disregard them and go for prices). This "tool," let's call it, could serve as a corrective, especially if we decide that we shouldn't update the posted bid prices after Feb 15. But also if we do.

I know plenty of people who don't think expert opinions are much use, even if they trust the expert, because they want to know how the polloi is going to act on draft day. This could be a tool to show them.

Of course, I'm spitballing. It could be really hard to implement, which is why no one has done it. But it seems to me these are the sorts of features for next year that can take this site from "interesting and fun" to "essential."
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 19 '07
Boy, I am very much in the minority here. As is well known, I much prefer year-before stats to projections and I really don't like the polls you see at other sites (How Much Time Should Barry Serve In Jail? 1 month, 1 year, 10 years, the rest of his life). Nevertheless, which are the sites that you think have the best interactive, community feel, Mike? I should check them out.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 18 '07
In the short term, it may well be that the best we can do is use the excel/software versions as another way to more easily track changes in bid values, at least on the macro level (that is, to show in an easy way the changes as they happen between the updates in the spring). The comments here are where those can be discussed; and driven, of course, by the comments of the community. I think the exact way this interacts has to be considered an experiment; I worry that if we try to drive it/define it in advance, there's a good chance we'll be wrong.
mike fenger mike
Dec 18 '07
I think we can think of a few different ways to implement this, but I suspect they all fall under Future Features not in this year's model.

I'd like to see a Projection Line and a Correction module below it, so that in each category the user can adjust the standing projection. Maybe at the end of the day these adjustments would be averaged and a Commmunity Projection would appear, too.

Next year.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 18 '07
I'm not sure if I'm repeating things, but I was wondering if:

a) there can be an audit trail on changed bids and

b) perhaps something like Sickels has at his site with a "community projection" dollar amount. Not sure how you'd do this one, but the blogs out there definitely have a more interactive, community feel, and a feature like this might go a long way.

With a guy like Joba, keeping track of the fluctuations, and of the mood on him, might be useful.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 18 '07