Curtis Granderson Miami Marlins

Age: 38 (March 16, 1981) | 6' 1" | 200lbs. | Bats: Left OF-86 LF-44 CF-2 RF-45 DH-21 PH-29 PR-3
NYM NL 2015 157 580 98 150 91 151 33 2 26 70 11 6 .259 .364 .457 13 22 .305 31/27/42 24 24
NYM NL 2016 150 545 88 129 74 130 24 5 30 59 4 2 .237 .335 .464 12 21 .254 36/22/42 15 16
NYM NL 2017 111 337 58 77 53 90 22 3 19 52 4 2 .228 .334 .481 13 23 .251 31/20/49 10 11
LAD NL 2017 36 112 16 18 18 33 2 0 7 12 2 0 .161 .288 .366 14 25 .153 38/14/48 1 1
TOR AL 2018 104 302 48 74 42 96 21 1 11 35 2 1 .245 .342 .430 12 28 .321 32/31/37 8 9
MIL NL 2018 19 41 12 9 12 10 1 1 2 3 0 0 .220 .407 .439 22 19 .241 35/29/35 1 1
MIA NL 2019 105 278 41 52 34 85 17 1 11 32 0 3 .187 .281 .374 11 27 .223 32/22/46 2 3
Career 16yrs 2024 7197 1214 1794 917 1903 346 95 343 935 153 50 .249 .338 .467 11 23 .290 n/a
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Just laid off an almost perfect 3-2 pitch (offspeed, a little low) from deGrom to draw the walk. It's a skill.

Alex Patton Alex
Apr 3

My only fan strike was against the Glavine-led players.

But then I much prefer the hard floor / hard cap of the NFL to whatever it is that baseball pretends to do.

I don't go to enough games each season to be considered a true fan either so there's that.

Kent Ostby Seadogs
Feb 8
remove the anti-trust exemption?
Feb 7
I actually don't mind that fans are suckers.

I just feel bad for the Mac Williamsons of the game.

The guy lost out on his chance to really lock in his future when he slammed into a wall last summer and got a concussion that knocked him off the field for weeks, and seemingly knocked all the hot streak out of his bat.  He's 28 ... there are very few years for him to sock away enough money for a financially secure future.  I don't like expecting a Mac Williamson to give up one of those years, and perhaps his only chance to establish himself so he can stay in the game another 3 or 4 years, so a Harper or Machado can add another $80 million to his long term contract.

I do mind that taxpayers are suckers, subsidizing MLB owners in a myriad of ways - from stadium financing to entertainment deductions for corporate boxes to franchise depreciation tax laws.

Perhaps leverage needs to come from Congress?
Phil Ponebshek Texpope
Feb 7

The reality is the owners’ motto is “Never give a sucker an even break”,  and we fans are exactly that, suckers. Fans will never strike, not in the way Tex may suggest anyhow. I am a Mets fan and as skinflint and incompetent as ownership is I still attend. I think the players deserve a fair share and should strike if they have to to get it.

Feb 7

That's exactly what fans of the Expos did after '94 and we know how that worked out. The best place in the world for a fan of the game is in Arizona during October and November, watching some of the best young players in the game at $7 per ticket. You simply can't beat it! 

Tim McLeod tlmcleod
Feb 6

I agree completely.

But the problem is embedded in the article itself:

"It certainly isn’t going back to fans, facing never-ending price increases in everything from their cable bills to tickets to beers to parking to hot dogs. "

Exactly.  The problem is in fact the fans - they're willing to pay $20 for a seat, $7 for a hot dog, and $9 for a beer.  Even after the O's lost 115 games last year, and did absolutely nothing on the FA market this winter to improve on what is essentially an AAA lineup with a few exceptions ... they'll still get over a million fans to march through their gates this year.

We don't need a player strike.  As I've said before - I have a hard time expecting guys who may only have a 3-4 year career in the bigs giving up the minimum $20K a week they'd lose, as well as potentially costing them their spot in the organizational depth chart.

We need a fan strike.  We need 3,000 fans a game to be showing up in Baltimore, and Miami, and half a dozen other markets until the owners of the fat and happy Yankees and Bosox and Dodgers and Cubs realize that it's going to hurt them all in the long run if half the teams in MLB start the year with the attitude that it's not worth it to spend the cash that season to become competitive.

Question for thought - would it improve the FA process if contract lengths were limited to no more than 5 years?

Phil Ponebshek Texpope
Feb 6

Jarrett Seidler at BP points out that pull-happy Grandy was still pretty effective.

What Granderson still does is one of the most important things in baseball: he consistently hits right-handed pitching. His .247/.355/.444 split in 2018 against righties was his worst mark in the last four seasons, and still comfortably above league-average production. He's been a force against the starboard side dating back to the George W. Bush administration, and remains one today.

And then he gets to the heart of the matter.

The market told us not that long ago that Granderson was worth something, and he played well in a reserve role for the Brewers after being acquired. Better, in fact, than he played for the Blue Jays. Now the market tells us that Granderson is actually worth nothing, only capable of getting a non-roster invite with a team still stripping itself of useful assets. What does that tell us about the real underlying market forces at play?

Nobody is crying for Granderson personally here. He’s already had a great career. He’s made more than $100 million playing this game, and done so with unusual joy. He’s wealthy enough that he’s donated many of his millions to charitable endeavors. He is very likely to make the Marlins, and there’s more than enough room in their outfield for him to play most of the time against righties. He’ll probably get traded to a contender in July or August for the third straight year.

Whether the Marlins pay him a non-guaranteed $1.75 million or a guaranteed $5 million this year is, in a vacuum, likely of minimal consequence to Granderson personally and the baseball world at large. He’s going to show up at the ballpark, put his work in with a smile, and sign more autographs and take more selfies than any other star in the game. He’s going to be Curtis Granderson in all his glory, one of the best ambassadors the game has ever had. The Marlins could certainly use a little more of that. Every team could.

The problem is that the extra money that isn’t going to Granderson won’t be redistributed to Juan Soto or Gleyber Torres, players who returned tens of millions of dollars of “surplus value” and likely will continue to do so for several more years while making near the league minimum. The money isn’t going to Vladimir Guerrero Jr., who will very likely be kept in the minors to open the season even though he might already be one of the best hitters on the planet, just to make sure that he gets a smaller piece of the pie no matter how good he is down the road. It isn’t going to Oregon State catcher Adley Rutschman, who will sign a contract this summer for a small fraction of what he’d get on the open market because MLB introduced usurious penalties to teams going overslot on aggregate in any given draft class. It isn’t going to top Dominican shortstop Robert Puason, stuck in an international free agency market where he agreed to a deal to lock in his slice of a zero-sum bonus money pool and had that deal voided, all before his 15th birthday.

It certainly isn’t going back to fans, facing never-ending price increases in everything from their cable bills to tickets to beers to parking to hot dogs. It isn’t even going to Bryce Harper or Manny Machado, the guys who were supposed to get it, who linger on the market as their peers start to report to Florida and Arizona. When you combine the money Granderson isn’t getting with the millions that dozens of other free agents aren’t getting, it starts adding up to real money, and that money has to be going somewhere, right?

Here’s where it’s going: Non-baseball interests on the ownership side. It’s going to debt service for teams that were bought over-leveraged on the promise of wildly increasing television carriage fees. It’s going as pure profit to owners that bought teams without caring about sports, because they were such a good business investment. It’s going to luxury yachts for owners. It’s going to large bonuses for executives that can slash expenses and increase revenues without regard to whether they can win games.

The product on the field is in danger of becoming secondary. There are an awful lot of teams, including a lot of contenders, who could use a guy to take 400 outfield plate appearances against righties that project to be pretty good. Granderson would help almost every bench in baseball as a reserve outfielder, really all of them if you include his clubhouse virtues. And yet here we are, talking about his NRI deal to a team where winning in the 2019 season is completely irrelevant to their franchise’s interests.

We all deserve better. As fans, we deserve an entertainment product where 30 owners of the 30 teams are doing their very best to win a World Series soon. Curtis Granderson deserves a guaranteed contract to try to cap his illustrious career with the ring that has thus far barely eluded him. Minor leaguers deserve a living wage and basic benefits. Young major leaguers deserve salaries more befitting their contributions. And nobody is getting it—except the owners, taking a bigger and bigger piece of the pie, simply because they can.

Alex Patton Alex
Feb 6

Will be in camp with the Marlins. No one with as many AB had a higher Pull % last year.

Alex Patton Alex
Feb 6
Fangraphs:  WAR 0.9   Bat 8    Field -5    Run -3    HR/FB 15%    Pull 53%    Hard 37%
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 16 '18