Thread: Stage Four

It doesn’t exist. But we keep hoping.

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I prefer the scales to be entirely balanced. If I'm giving up $30 over the current year and the next 2, I want $30 back for myself (preferably in the current year if that's what I'm playing for). 

There's no trade I hate more than when you've undersold your keepers. 

Scott Shea SJS
Jun 20

Question for the crowd. If you are in a keeper league, how do you determine fair value if you are trading for this year.  

Sometimes it seems quite obvious -- I must have saves to win and X player is available.


Other times though the trade wouldhelp but isn't an exact match. 

My thinking is that this-years-added-value should be about 3/4 to equal to added-profit of players being traded for "next year" x the amount of years until they'd have to be released unless extended.

Player X at 24 this year adding 18 in value.

Player A at 6 for next two years adding 10 value for a total of 8 PROFIT.
Player B at 5 for next two years adding 11 value.for a total of 12 potential PROFIT.

Future trade value of A & B = 20 POTENTIAL PROFIT. So I'd want to be getting at least 15 to 20 of VALUE for this year.

Kent Ostby Seadogs
Jun 20

Seadogs, I agree. My league (5x5 AL keeper), has been 13 hit, 10 pitch for quite a while. I looked today at unowned players, maybe one hitter I would grab. Pitchers? at least a dozen. That says to me 13 hit, 11 pitchers. Wouldn't hurt to go 12 pitchers if our goal is to support starters. nothing wrong with owning 24 or 25 players as the last guys go for a buck anyway. keep the minimum IP. Stay with the 5x5 we have now.

David Molyneaux NeauxBrainers ()
May 9

We really just need to rejigger our positions to be something like 12 P, 13 H or even 12 H, 12 P.  The problem is we simply don't need those players AND with IP requirements they can't fit.  Agree that you would "shift" players from  worse starters to better middles, but again, the whole point of IP guys is to shift the other direciton.

Kent Ostby Seadogs
May 9

Here's an off-the-wall Stage Four idea ...

Change "Strikeouts" to "GamesPlayed" ... then create 3 "positions" within the pitching ranks ... "Wins", "Saves", "GamesPlayed" ... and for each pitcher, you have to slot him into one of those positions ... and that determines the only "counting stat" that that pitcher can accrue that week ... ie. "lucky wins" and "lucky saves" don't count :-)

The goal of this variant is ... make valuable the middle guys which populate the current free agent list ... if you're good enough to get into ANY game, you have some value ... and perhaps this is a way to mimic that in roto ...

Maybe there's a variant of this variant that's worth considering ...

Howard Lynch LynchMob
May 8

Np. Thanks for asking.

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Mar 27

Thank you Peter K.

Pete C.

peter cohen clintncntry
Mar 27

The Draft Grid is on in the right nav. There's a link to draft results and grids for each of the leagues. 

And here's a link to the four Auction lists in nomination order. Click here. See the different tabs for each league and bonus AL Grid (without reserves).

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Mar 26

Hi All:

Does anybody have a clean link for the Tout Wars NL only Draft (Auction) Results. The only one I can find is for the "Live Draft Sheet" which refreshes every 20 seconds and goes back to the the first 25 or so players. 


peter cohen clintncntry
Mar 26

Interesting. Can't wait for Doubt Wars.

On the AL side of the equation, I've done my raw pricing. I have Ray $25, Verlander $24, Gausman $20,  Berrios $19, Manoah $15, and Lynn $14 for those guys.  As Alex says, bids are bets. I'm betting on Ray and Verlander compared to the expert market and against Manoah and Lynn.

Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Mar 26