Thread: Stage Four

It doesn’t exist. But we keep hoping.

Welcome! You are invited to wander around and read all of the comments that have been posted here at Patton & Co., but as soon as you register you can see the bid limits that Alex, Peter and Mike propose for each player, and you can post your own comments. Registering is free, so please join us!

The home runs and strikeouts (Slyke's comment under Judge) are certainly interesting, but I'm more fascinated by something else i noticed. While it may be a historical season for home runs, it isn't a historical season for offense. In fact, it isn't even close.

If you go back to 1901, 2017 is the 17th best season ever using OPS. Twelve of the top 16 seasons were between 1994-2007, with 1930 (1st), 1929 (4th), 1925 (7th), and 1936 (16th) breaking through. 

Home runs or no, we're nowhere close to the "steroid" era. At least not yet.

Mike Gianella MikeG
Sep 28

For those interested in taking an early look at 2018, Justin Mason has assembled several 15-team Mixed Slow Mocks, and the link is posted below to the one I'm partaking in. I'm drafting in the tenth slot, and have so far acquired Betts, Lindor, Benintendi, and Willson Contreras. Kershaw, Scherzer, Sale and Kluber (in that order) all disappeared off the board at the back-end of the First Round. Bellinger before Judge, followed by Hoskins, and Olson is still waiting his turn. I'm probably looking at two more bats, before jumping into the pitching with my 7th/8th picks.

Tim McLeod tlmcleod
Sep 23

Thanks, Mike.

carter carter GypsySoul
Aug 31

A heads up to the people here who also subscribe to Baseball Prospectus: we are increasing our subscription price for the first time since 2003.

The good news for existing subscribers is that if you renew between now and October 1, you can lock in at the current price for up to two years.

the details are here.

i try not to plug BP or my work often on here. But I don't want anyone who doesn't frequently check the site in late August and September to find out about the price bump in January, when the fantasy articles for 2018 start popping up again.

Mike Gianella MikeG
Aug 30

Someday I will stop betting on older hitters making a comeback.  

Mike Dean TMU2009
May 15

Mike Leake, HJ Ryu, Alex Wood, WY Chen, Robbie Ray, Felipe Rivero, Hunter Strickland

Jamie Garcia was dropped for Ty Blach

Grant Dayton was dropped for Benoit who was then traded with Pederson for Bumgarner and a dog hitter.  MadBum then reserved and Dayton picked up again

mark maurer Tuffy
May 5

Were any of your pitchers freezes?

Larry Labadini a good 30 years ago won one of the LABR leagues with a $9 pitching staff, but that was when the world was still in Stage Two. In Stage Three it seems like an impossibility. If you win, maybe there is a Stage Four!

Who are your pitchers?

Alex Patton Alex
May 4

All hitting update

4x4 NL only

i spent $14 total on my 9 pitchers ($246 on hitting)

so far 43 out of possible 48 points in hitting

and pitching has been surprisingly good;

last in saves but middle of the pack in wins and very solid 2nd best in both ERA and WHIP

5th best pitching overall with 29.6 points

2nd place in the overall standings with 72.5 points

so far so good

mark maurer Tuffy
May 4

Agree that the scouting grades don't add much, if anything. But I put the link here for easy reference when we're trying to figure our FAAB bids for minor leaguers.

Alex Patton Alex
May 2

This is interesting, but am I wrong? Using percentage differences seems easy to digest and understand. I'm glad to see those.

Converting to the ludicrous and professionally protective 20-80 scale that scouts use introduces esoteric and generalized numbers to a fairly straightforward evaluation. 

This is less an indictment of the idea of creating bigger baskets (rather than getting overspecific, which percentages do), than wondering why the Scouting Scoring isn't 1-10 instead of 20-80. I don't know the answer, maybe there is a good one. I should know the answer, I've read about this process many times and talked to scouts about it, too, but I don't know. So my guess is oddball scoring protects insiders. 

Baseball America is protecting or fetishizing the process. The percentage numbers are plenty good enough if you don't get too specific about them (which is a reason for generalizing differences.

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
May 2