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Peter Rose in an interview following the Mitchell Report:
"If you're going to put these guys that supposedly did steroids into the Hall of Fame, I mean I've got to get a shot somewhere."
And if steroids were prevalent in his day?
"I would have got 5,000 hits."
744 more? Maybe not. But he would have gotten more because no way would he have allowed competitors to get an edge. He would have gotten a shot somewhere.
There are clearly flaws to his hitting game (he swings too much) and he's not a good second baseman, which means that his opportunity to succeed is presented with a really small window. He screwed it up last year, and may not have the chops to get over this year.
But I think he's young enough and talented enough with enough pedigree that he'll end up being useful, rather than like Tim Raines Jr. and Tony Gwynn Jr. At least.
All the smart money was on Nelson that year. I think that was a reading of the platoon, which seemed darned sophisticated at the time. When we've finally compiled a serious minor league database I hope we learn something else.
I just searched the Ask Rotoman archives and don't find a discussion of Nelson vs. McGwire. Too bad, it was hotly contested.
I think having Ratio and WHIP isn't a big problem, but it does make things crowded and my eye doesn't always fall right on the information I want as a result. I'd say cut WHIP, but readers will say that's the one they want, so we should cut Ratio.
My intitial bid was $39. Then I saw what Peter and Mike had for their bids. Then I chopped $2 off.
Because Rollins did go crazy last year. The chances are he slides back a little bit.
And nevertheless, as I see it, Peter's mixed bid is way too timid. In mixed leagues, you identify the five or ten very best players and make damn sure you get two of them.
Does not Jimmy Rollins qualify as among the ten best players?
That being the case, owners happily lived with his neutral Ratio (Rotisserie-league average, worth $0). They weren't too pained by his ERA (a little higher than Rotisserie-league average and thus minus $4).
Interestingly, the folks at BBHQ think his ERA should have been a little higher (xERA 4.88); the Baseball Info Solutions folks think it should have been lower (ERC 4.14). I compare the ratings in this five-year scan to his actual ERAs and think his 2007 ERA was just about where it figured to be.
His hit percent percent dropped from 34 to 28, which could be attributed to bad luck. But his line-drive percent also took quite a dive: from 24 to 16. Don't bet on his hitting .300 again.
With a scoreless, if not spotless, inning last year, he lowered his career ERA to 2.72. Having faced major league hitters on 100 separate occasions, getting a little more than three outs each time, he has something to boast about to his grandchildren.
Author Tony Horwitz is in my league and shares this great story:
"I was at lunch with a fellow owner today and asked him how many players he had on his roster who had been implicated. He wisely replied, "obviously, not enough."
Hit .317 in the second half, slugged .516. Even though he hit more grounders, fewer flies and line drives in the second half. Despite Petco, which will always be a problem, he's poised for a breakout year, which probably means bidding wars that it's best to stay out of.
Interesting to compare last year to his rookie season. Quite a bit lower ERA last year, despite quite a bit higher rating. Might be a function of pitching 38 games out of the pen. Big rise in K/IP. Which could be a function of getting stronger as he fills out, which could be a function of...?
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Dec 21 '07
Peter Rose in an interview following the Mitchell Report:
"If you're going to put these guys that supposedly did steroids into the Hall of Fame, I mean I've got to get a shot somewhere."
And if steroids were prevalent in his day?
"I would have got 5,000 hits."
744 more? Maybe not. But he would have gotten more because no way would he have allowed competitors to get an edge. He would have gotten a shot somewhere.
Dec 21 '07
Especially for Wakefield.
So I'd be inclined to start off with just Ratio and see if people complain.
Dec 21 '07
But I think he's young enough and talented enough with enough pedigree that he'll end up being useful, rather than like Tim Raines Jr. and Tony Gwynn Jr. At least.
Dec 21 '07
I just searched the Ask Rotoman archives and don't find a discussion of Nelson vs. McGwire. Too bad, it was hotly contested.
Dec 21 '07
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Dec 21 '07
Because Rollins did go crazy last year. The chances are he slides back a little bit.
And nevertheless, as I see it, Peter's mixed bid is way too timid. In mixed leagues, you identify the five or ten very best players and make damn sure you get two of them.
Does not Jimmy Rollins qualify as among the ten best players?
Dec 21 '07
That being the case, owners happily lived with his neutral Ratio (Rotisserie-league average, worth $0). They weren't too pained by his ERA (a little higher than Rotisserie-league average and thus minus $4).
Interestingly, the folks at BBHQ think his ERA should have been a little higher (xERA 4.88); the Baseball Info Solutions folks think it should have been lower (ERC 4.14). I compare the ratings in this five-year scan to his actual ERAs and think his 2007 ERA was just about where it figured to be.
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"I was at lunch with a fellow owner today and asked him how many players he had on his roster who had been implicated. He wisely replied, "obviously, not enough."
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If he qualifies at second, two bucks.
If he's retired, no bucks.
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