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Daric Barton Toronto Blue Jays
Barton hit 4 HRs in 18 games and is 224lbs...

barton hit 13 home runs in 90 games as a catcher in 2004.
13 in a full season in 2005..despite a knee issue.
2 in 2006 after/during the knee problems.
and 13 in 2007.

Unlike Mauer, Barton has major secondary power numbers. He didjn't play in Salt Lake, or Vegas, he played Sacramento (not an extreme hitters park JeffJaffee). His K/BB ratios are u nGodly, if you believe in such things, but more importantly he walks a ton.

He's gotten on base less than .389 exactly...well...never.

His OPS has been more or less 900+ except after the injury at Sacratomato.

He's a star in the making.
Steve Parsons stevep
Jan 29 '08
Rich Harden Oakland Athletics
toz...OK the workload is is too low. Since the investment in pitchers is what it is and the results are what they are for young pitchers, go ahead, recommend that GMs and fantasy managers pick up these kind of overworked pitchers.Percentages are vastly against you.

It's also might be useful to note that the people adovacte the increased workload are guys like "dr" Mike Marshall who himself was overworked and had a shortened career and has never produced a single professional pitcher.

200+ innings for 3 years straight prior to 23 is almost a guarantee of injury - better/worse than 2/3s. Three level pitchers, that is, guys who pitch three levels in one year almost always have problems immediately.

Pitchers pitching for bad teams...pfaaah....check out Chad Cordero and Steve Carlton in their career years.

Steve Parsons stevep
Jan 29 '08
Joe Mauer Minnesota Twins
Unfortunately EugeneFreed, You are making every single mistake in the book here.

1 - OUTS are to be avoided, not strikeouts. Look at Mauer's record again and whether the K's and BA move together, or inversely. It's not unusual at all.

2 - I'd appreciate seeing some of those Boston writers who said that...I didn't notice any of them after his rookie year.

3 - 36 and 27 doubles in a turf park is an indication of lack of power based on those ABs. Look, the popular myth with mauer was that he was big and would hit for power...He never has done so. His 13 Home runs were hailed as the next babe ruth.

Why would you move him away from catcher? Pretty simple. Chronic and continuing Knee and other issues. Sorry, He hits well enough that 155 games vs. 130ish plus an extra 5-7 years seems....rather economical. But, OK, lets play the game. How much does the team benefit from him being back there...with all the negatives of less PT from your best hitter and so forth. What? Not a lot.
Steve Parsons stevep
Jan 29 '08
Richie Sexson Tampa Bay Rays
He can't be worse than last year.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Jan 29 '08
Daric Barton Toronto Blue Jays
Looks like the classic "Money Ball" type player. Good strike zone control, solid, above average BA, low price. But 9 dingers in Sacramento in 516 at bats. Isn't that an extreme hitter's park? I know he hit 4 homers in 72 ML tries, but he's looking more like Scott Hatteberg every day. He seems to be Oakland's first baseman so far, and he most likely won't hurt you, but Chris Shelton might hit more homers in the first month than Barton all year.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Jan 29 '08
As the comments here suggest, he's one of this year's darlings. So the question now should be, how can he fail?

Injuries, of course, are one way.

A weak lineup is another way.

If he doesn't run as much, because he's got a different role perhaps, his value drops.

On the other hand, he was drafted as a starter, pitched a few years ago in the Olympics for Greece, and is a converted hitter still learning his way around. He's doing just fine, and the only reason not to invest too heavily in his breakout this year is because everybody is doing it.

That may not be a good enough reason, which is why I'm bumping the mixed bid a little.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Jan 29 '08
Francisco Liriano Toronto Blue Jays
He says he's feeling good, which is good enough for me as far as it goes, but he had a totally unsustainable delivery. Which is why he was a throw in, as mentioned earlier, and why he got hurt so devastatingly. If he's throwing you have to be in there on him, but unless he tames his mechanics he's going to go down again at some point. In the Guide I've got him at $12, which makes sense if he's progressing in spring training but isn't ready to start the season. But it's really a wait and see bid. How he's feeling on March 15th will be meaningful info.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Jan 29 '08
David Eckstein San Diego Padres
Have put him on the Jays. With a bid limit that I sure hope isn't enough.
Alex Patton Alex
Jan 29 '08
Gary Matthews Jr. New York Mets
Personally, I think the steroid issue is a total after-the-fact puritanical witch hunt. It's hypocrisy like the gay Republicans who get caught who are against homosexual marriages and stem cell research, etc. Steroids weren't against the rules in baseball during the years when plea-bargainer Radomski has offered evidence to keep himself out of prison. And, as we all know, baseball, Bud Selig and the managers (Tony, you're a lawyer, for God's sake) looked the other way. As far as HGH goes, blame the players' union for not allowing blood tests. If Radomski implicated 86 players, it seems to me that most of baseball must have been using performance enhancing drugs because Kurt is only one guy with one team. And amphetamines have been used since the beginning of the last century (even if it was in the Coca Cola). Don't they enhance performance. Check all the swooning in Sept. last year. I'm totally sick of this steroid talk and all this finger pointing.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Jan 29 '08
What do you say about Marte at this point? 260+ MLB ABs and a career .201 average with a career OPS just above .600.

The minor league numbers aren't very encouraging either. The three year scan at AAA includes over 1,000 ABs with an average in the .260s. The OPS, though, is in the high .700s. His K/W stinks, his OBP stinks, and he never dominated AAA pitching.

Marte may very well be a lost cause at 24.

Brandon who?
John Toczydlowski Toz
Jan 29 '08
Gary Matthews Jr. New York Mets
He'll be playing center steroid, I mean center field.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Jan 29 '08
$15-$19 for the last 4 years. 35 now with an injury bug. Me thinks, though, that I'll take side action that he gets 400 AB and earns $15-19.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Jan 29 '08
Jacoby Ellsbury New York Yankees
Right now Coco may be the better all-around ballplayer. Crisp was the best defensive centerfielder in the AL, with or without a gold glove.

I'd stay away over $10, which means there's no chance I could possible get him.

I posted this in the Johan Santana board, but he's already a year older than Melky Cabrera. The fact that the Twins didn't want Hughes, the best prospect in any of the known offers AND the younger, more advanced centerfielder makes absolutely no sense to me.
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Jan 29 '08
Here's a guy who's power jumped incredibly from 2000-2003 then fell back to his previous level in 2004. If the jump and decline didn't exactly correspond with wide use of steroids and the installation of a testing we could chalk it up to the peak power years from 28-31 that many players experience. But, he didn't bell curve. He didn't bounce around near a peak. He went from one plateau to a wholly different world where he plateaued for four years. Then, he dropped back to the original established level in one fell swoop and maintained that level of performance for another three years.
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Jan 29 '08
Francisco Liriano Toronto Blue Jays
I'd be absolutely shocked if he is in the rotation by the season starts. At best I think you are hoping for a half season of dominance and that is if he is healthy (big if).
E Park yoda
Jan 28 '08
Jacoby Ellsbury New York Yankees
Agreed here as well. Although he gets on base at a solid clip, he'll go for a lot more than he should this year. I can find cheaper steals elsewhere.
E Park yoda
Jan 28 '08
I've owned Garret Anderson a few times. He's the kind of player who you feel like you paid too much for but, when you look at the Patton $ the next winter, you paid exactly the right amount.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Jan 28 '08
Jacoby Ellsbury New York Yankees
You're dead on, Jeff. There's no doubts about the speed, but everything else can and should be brought into question. No power in the minors, and the 3 HR in 116 AB in the majors last year tells us nothing. $15 is too high, but I agree that he'll go for $18-20 in most start-over leagues.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Jan 28 '08
Roto stud alert! How often do hitters like this steal bases? Of course, the Orioles are pretty anemic, but this guy is actually worth $30.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Jan 28 '08
Jacoby Ellsbury New York Yankees
I have a feeling that Ellsbury may be the most overrated rookie of the year. He's probably a much better ballplayer than roto guy, and he looks like he's a 2 1/2 category player to me. World Series' heroes don't usually make for sure things the next year. I'd be cautious, although $15 is still a bargain. No way he'll go for that.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Jan 28 '08

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