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Paul Byrd Boston Red Sox
If you're a baseball fan, he is the type of pitcher that you have to love because the thought is that his numbers wouldn't change much regardless if he's pitching Sundays in the AL Central or the North Valley Beer League. He gives us all the hope or impression that if we only learned to throw strikes, maybe, just maybe that could have been us admitting HGH use before Game 7 of the ALCS...ahh, dreams.

But as a fantasy pitcher, if he's on your team you just scratch your head and ask, "How did it all come to this?"

Regards to JohnB for managing to watch Byrd pitch. As a Tribe fan, I normally would only watch the half innings when the Indians were batting, using the remote as a substitute for closing my eyes when Byrd got out there. Though I have to say, the windup is really cool.
Gary Cruciani Megary
Jan 30 '08
Matt Capps Atlanta Braves
The only absurd comment in this thread is that Slyke is an unbiased Pirates fan!!!!! :)
John Toczydlowski Toz
Jan 30 '08
Johan Santana Minnesota Twins
Going back to the other trade packages, my guess is this. One, the Yankees back off Hughes and Kennedy and, two, the Sox pulled Lester back and went with an Ellsbury package. Now we can debate whether the Ellsbury package is better, or whether Hughes/Cabrera is better, but, in the end, packages without Kennedy and Lester combined with leaving Santana in the AL were not acceptable.

And as said below, the Twins didn't have much of a choice; for them, the NL option was better than the AL option.

Santana will get 6 years, not 7. I'm guessing about $22 million per year will get it done. That puts my heart in my throat if I am a GM, but with a new park, a new television contract, and the collapse of last year, what needs to be done will be done.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Jan 30 '08
I don't disagree that the Twinkies may had a better offer at the deadline (a la RJ to HOU) but... they also had Santana's no-trade clause to work around. He already told them that he would not waive his no-trade during the season.

I think if any of these prospects turn out to be a star, then the trade evens out. Even if they don't, what other choices did Minnie have?
E Park yoda
Jan 30 '08
Matt Capps Atlanta Braves
I will admit first that I am a Pirates fan, but I am an unbiased one. I have seen a lot of Capps, and while it does seem unlikely the Pirates could actually develop a young pitcher, he can pitch. Great command and keeps the ball down. His HR/9 ratio last year is more in line with his ML numbers, so the 12 HR's in 2006 seem to be an aberration.

No reason to think he can't save 30 games...even on a bad (doesn't that go without saying?) Pirates team.
Keith Cromer Slyke
Jan 30 '08
Johan Santana Minnesota Twins
I agree the Twins should have waited until July based on what they received. They got the Mets 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th rated prospects (according to BA) but none of these players are "A" prospects. Humber and Mulvey project to be No. 3-4 starters at this point at best, and Gomez has not shown the power the Mets' had hoped he would develop. Guerra seems to have the greatest upside, but he won't turn 19 until April. Time will tell how these youngsters pan out for the Twins, but the Mets appear to have made a great trade. Frankly, I would have taken any Yankees deal that included either Hughes or Kennedy over this one.

It just seems to me the Twins might have been able to get more at the deadline.
Keith Cromer Slyke
Jan 30 '08
Joe Mauer Minnesota Twins
How could Billy Beane have gotten this guy. He went #1 in the draft. The Twins were criticized for not taking Mark Prior, the consensus #1, due to signability issues. Mauer is from Minnesota, so that was a factor as well. Turns out, they made the right call. TINSTAAPP- There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Jan 30 '08
Barry Bonds San Francisco Giants
Have you seen him play the outfield or run the bases? Unless he gets a DH job, he'll be doing some tarnishing. And Yoda, you're talking about one of the greatest sluggers in baseball history, so those numbers (other than his other-worldly batting eye) are pedestrian for him. By playing, he can't possibly win: the standards he's set are too high. He can't be as sad as Mays was, but that is a memory I'm sorry that I have.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Jan 30 '08
Matt Capps Atlanta Braves
I agree he's not the classic overpowering closer, but not every team has the luxury of that kind of guy. And if that flamethrower doesn't have the command, it doesn't matter how hard he throws. Capps's K/BB is excellent, and even if he gives up a few more dingers, he's still looking like a fantasy stud. I haven't seen that much of him in person, but what I've seen has been a guy who's pretty tough to hit.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Jan 30 '08
Johan Santana Minnesota Twins
You would be hard-pressed to find anyone who didn't think Santana was the best pitcher in baseball. However, he had a bit of a rough year in 2007, at least the first half. 33 balls over the wall is a very large number. 3.33 is the highest ERA Johan has thrown. Worst K/BB since his first year as well. And every pitcher is just one throw away from an injury. The rule of thumb is to get the other team's top young hitter and pitcher. The Twins pressed the Mets for Reyes or Martinez and got nowhere. They pressed the Sawx for Ellsbury and Lester or Buchholtz and got nowhere. They pressed the Yankees for Hughes, Melky and Ian Kennedy or Austin Jackson and got nowhere. The team with the impending free agent just doesn't have that much leverage. If he's a superstar like Santana, it's not only the players, but the 150 million bucks. Who's going to give up the store and the safe deposit box, too?
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Jan 30 '08
Yoda's right, that the issue here is who would pay for a seven year extension for JS. We don't know yet that the Mets will, though they gave up little enough to make it seem pretty sure that they will.

We won't ever know who else offered what exactly, but we do know that the Twins considered the Mets' offer the best. That makes me suspect the rumored Yankees and Red Sox packages weren't for real.

If I was the Twins I would have waited until July. Someone would have paid more then.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Jan 30 '08
Granted I don't follow the NL all that closely, but given the return the Twins got from the Mets, anyone question that the supposed offers from the Yanks and the Sawks were actually on the table?
Thomas Odom Mendoza
Jan 30 '08
Matt Capps Atlanta Braves
Just my impression from watching him pitch; I think he's unlikely to stay under a hit an inning. That'll bring his ERA up some as well. I could be wrong -- I just think that guys like this lose the closing job (perhaps unfairly) more quickly that more "impressive" looking guys (yes, like Valverde).

I think he is a good pitcher, though less valuable in 5x5. My feeling could be wrong, no denying that.
mike fenger mike
Jan 30 '08
Johan Santana Minnesota Twins
What does Santana's age have to do with anything? How can you judge a trade when Minnie received 4 minor leaguers and are rebuilding for their future?

Haren fetched more because they didn't just sell him but his below market contract as well.

Unfortunately, this isn't fantasy baseball. Economics are the biggest factor and given that Minnie's choices basically narrow down to a) trade for a bunch of prospects or b) lose Santana to free agency and get far less than what they got from the Mutts. Which would you choose?
E Park yoda
Jan 30 '08
Well, given that Santana is only 29, I think we can judge the trade right now. Gomez is a talent, but a raw one at that - his lack of place discipline does not bode well, but there is time for that to change. Guerra has a lightning bolt for an arm; he is in A ball - that makes him a flier (a good one, but a flier). Perhaps we remember back to Pulsipher, Wilson, Izzy? Humber is a 3rd starter at best. Mulvey is a local guy - went to Villanova. If he pans out, he's a 4.

This is just insufficient return for a guy like Santana. The As got better return for Haren, and Santana is no Dan Haren.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Jan 30 '08
Santana vs. NL
IP: 182.2
ERA: 2.27
WHIP: .92
SO: 191

Park, league and team should all boost his value some but how much?

Also let's not be so quick to judge this trade since we all knew it wouldn't look pretty. Give it a few years for those prospects to develop.
E Park yoda
Jan 30 '08
Barry Bonds San Francisco Giants
I hardly see him tarnishing his career by playing another season after posting .276/.480/.565. He is still an elite hitter.
E Park yoda
Jan 30 '08
Why doesn't Barry retire to his recliner in Beverly Hills. Does he have to humiliate himself after passing Hammerin' Hank? What does he have to gain? Just like his godfather, the greatest player of the last 60 years, he's going to play another season and further tarnish his stellar career. If any of you saw Willie Mays play for the Mets in 1973, you'd make a compilation of his lowlights and play them back to Barry.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Jan 30 '08
Joe Mauer Minnesota Twins
How did Billy Beane miss this guy?
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Jan 30 '08
Matt Capps Atlanta Braves
Two solid seasons in a row, big decrease in homers allowed, 4 to 1 K/BB, no one waiting in the wings. Looks rock-solid to me, even if he's not overpowering. Would you rather have Jose Valverde in Minute Maid?
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Jan 30 '08

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