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Edinson Volquez Texas Rangers
While recognizing the point about ratio (Peter held onto the same symmetry argument in the magazine), more people seem to be more comfortable with WHIP. (Maybe the ratio people have come to terms with it and can convert it in their heads more easily?)

I like rating, just for those instances when it is different than WHIP, which to me is another argument for using WHIP -- the ease of seeing that difference. Unless you want to multiply the rating by nine . . . no, I really didn't say that.
mike fenger mike
Dec 22 '07
I'm looking at the WHIPs and Ratings. Have to admit there isn't much difference. Difference, such as it is, being when Volquez gives up too many bombs, the Rating is higher than the Whip, when he keeps the ball in the park the rating is lower.

Mike G. says he pays no attention to the Rating. Should both Ratio and Rating be jettisoned?

My own preference is to show Ratio, because it's on the same footing as ERA, and Rating, because it is a good measurement of a pitcher's effectiveness that often is at odds with ERA. And ditch WHIP. Nevertheless, if readers want WHIP and don't want Rating -- I won't say they're right, but they are the customers.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 22 '07
From: "Yun, Patrick"
To: "Alex Patton"
21 Dec 2007

I never thought of it that way, I mean the changes of the game over time.

I guess the reason people are willing to give Clemens more slack is because he didn't break the biggest of records, the home run record.

PY

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From: Alex Patton
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:10 PM
To: Yun, Patrick
Subject: Re: Baseball blues

Oh, it's not hearsay, Patrick. It's something we've known at least since the late 90's -- known as sure as we could know anything -- and just didn't want to hear about. But I wouldn't be too blue. Players were taking this stuff, in most cases, because they felt they had to, and if the testing is good enough, they won't have to. I completely agree with Mitchell that punishment (beyond the punishment of embarrassment) is not called for.

As for the sanctity of the records, consider for a moment that they changed the baseball itself for Babe Ruth. Consider that he played in an all white-boys' club. The mound has been lowered and raised. Fences have been moved in and out. The strike zone has been expanded and contracted.

Did the people in your poker game who argued that Clemens should be given the benefit of the doubt give Barry Bonds the benefit of the doubt? That's what I want to know.

At 12:54 PM 12/20/2007, you wrote:

Alex,

Last night at my weekly poker game everyone got into an argument about the report that just came out about the use of steroids. One person was disgusted by Roger Clemens expecting to be given the benefit of the doubt. Others thought the entire report was just hearsay and it should never have been written.

I was just curious, since you are the person most involved in baseball that I know, what you opinion is? I admit that the pre-Christmas slowdown is giving me a lot of free time but I am still pretty interested in how this is going to affect baseball, and other sports going forward.

PY

Alex Patton Alex
Dec 22 '07
Now that I've finally done the formulas, I was a little surprised Reyes didn't earn more. What do you two have him at?
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 22 '07
Edinson Volquez Texas Rangers
I look at walk rate. Volquez got better results last year, heck he was better, but he was still walking too many guys. He's at the age where the breakout could happen this year, or next year, but he's not so talented where it's inevitable.

I'm surely buying him for a buck, and probably three.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 22 '07
Josh Hamilton Texas Rangers
His history has to be scary, but the move to Texas and another year of let's call it maturity have to mean that he could be even better this year than last.

His history, however, predicts he's somewhat more likely to be nothing, so plan accordingly.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 22 '07
Don't know. No games played info for him, but I just added it.

And I see that GP is working in Firefox. Awesome.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 21 '07
Doesn't show up as a SS for some reason.

Why is position hidden on this page?
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 21 '07
Pete Rose Cincinnati Reds
Alex remembers that I was defending Rose, less because I liked him and more because of the presumption of innocence and my reluctance to give unqualified acceptance to testimony from those with incentive to, shall we say, embellish their testimony to give them a better chance at immunity.

That said, I find it pretty ridiculous to hear Rose say that steroid use is worse than gambling. Steroid users are trying to improve their level of play -- even if it's to improve their pay, it also should be helping their team win. Gambling is a serious thing because it gives rise to the temptation for players (and managers) to give less than a full effort. (Even betting on one's team can mean a stronger effort on the games bet on than the others.) Trying harder to win seems less of a challenge to the integrity of the game than conduct that might lead one to give less than a full effort.
mike fenger mike
Dec 21 '07
Tim Wakefield Boston Red Sox
I never really look at rating. I often head over to ESPN's site and check out the OBP/SLG/OPS against for pitchers.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 21 '07
Mark McGwire San Diego Padres
McGwire went for $3 in my friend's A.L. league that year. I don't remember what Nelson went for.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 21 '07
Pete Rose Cincinnati Reds
Predictable Reaction Department

Peter Rose in an interview following the Mitchell Report:

"If you're going to put these guys that supposedly did steroids into the Hall of Fame, I mean I've got to get a shot somewhere."

And if steroids were prevalent in his day?

"I would have got 5,000 hits."

744 more? Maybe not. But he would have gotten more because no way would he have allowed competitors to get an edge. He would have gotten a shot somewhere.

Alex Patton Alex
Dec 21 '07
Tim Wakefield Boston Red Sox
Another problem with WHIP is it looks very much like Rating. Rating being a refined form of WHIP (H+.5*BB+1.5*HR).

Especially for Wakefield.

So I'd be inclined to start off with just Ratio and see if people complain.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 21 '07
Josh Barfield Baltimore Orioles
There are clearly flaws to his hitting game (he swings too much) and he's not a good second baseman, which means that his opportunity to succeed is presented with a really small window. He screwed it up last year, and may not have the chops to get over this year.

But I think he's young enough and talented enough with enough pedigree that he'll end up being useful, rather than like Tim Raines Jr. and Tony Gwynn Jr. At least.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 21 '07
Mark McGwire San Diego Padres
All the smart money was on Nelson that year. I think that was a reading of the platoon, which seemed darned sophisticated at the time. When we've finally compiled a serious minor league database I hope we learn something else.

I just searched the Ask Rotoman archives and don't find a discussion of Nelson vs. McGwire. Too bad, it was hotly contested.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 21 '07
Tim Wakefield Boston Red Sox
I think having Ratio and WHIP isn't a big problem, but it does make things crowded and my eye doesn't always fall right on the information I want as a result. I'd say cut WHIP, but readers will say that's the one they want, so we should cut Ratio.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 21 '07
Jimmy Rollins San Francisco Giants
I think he's about 15th, and someone to go a few dollars beyond on if the situation calls for it, but that looks like a career year.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 21 '07
My intitial bid was $39. Then I saw what Peter and Mike had for their bids. Then I chopped $2 off.

Because Rollins did go crazy last year. The chances are he slides back a little bit.

And nevertheless, as I see it, Peter's mixed bid is way too timid. In mixed leagues, you identify the five or ten very best players and make damn sure you get two of them.

Does not Jimmy Rollins qualify as among the ten best players?
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 21 '07
Tim Wakefield Boston Red Sox
His wins were worth $15.

That being the case, owners happily lived with his neutral Ratio (Rotisserie-league average, worth $0). They weren't too pained by his ERA (a little higher than Rotisserie-league average and thus minus $4).

Interestingly, the folks at BBHQ think his ERA should have been a little higher (xERA 4.88); the Baseball Info Solutions folks think it should have been lower (ERC 4.14). I compare the ratings in this five-year scan to his actual ERAs and think his 2007 ERA was just about where it figured to be.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07
His hit percent percent dropped from 34 to 28, which could be attributed to bad luck. But his line-drive percent also took quite a dive: from 24 to 16. Don't bet on his hitting .300 again.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07

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