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Moneyball became such a huge hit that the paperback edition doesn't even put the subtitle -- The Art of Winning an Unfair Game -- on the cover.

In the index...

stealing bases
Steinbrenner, George
Stevens, Lee
stock market

When it's reissued, might be best to drop the subtitle altogether.

Alex Patton Alex
Dec 25 '07
Scott Baker Los Angeles Dodgers
It's all those hits he's allowed that make it the smart play not to buy into the second half ERA too strongly. Only one thing changed significantly changed: The rate of home runs he allowed. Is that something he controled? I wouldn't pay a lot this year to find out.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 25 '07
A 3.44 ERA Post All-Star means there's no way you're getting Baker for $5. In deeper freeze leagues, if the pitching is thin enough, you might even toy with the idea of keeping him at $10.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 24 '07
There's a vesting option for 2010, too.

Aaron Rowand's VORP was 52 last year. Jenkins' was 8.9. I can see why the Phillies didn't commit to Rowand for five years, but next year they're going to lose some games because of it.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 24 '07
Dontrelle Willis Baltimore Orioles
"To be honest," concludes the Baseball Forecaster in its Dontrelle Willis comment, " xERA has never been all that impressive anyway."

Maybe not, but a 4.52 xERA in 2007 is a whole lot better than the ERA that counted in the standings; with a few more wins, he might have actually been worth something.

While Comerica Park is less of a pitchers' paradise than it's thought to be, Dontrelle figures to benefit from pitching on a team that plans to win some games, to hitters that for the most part have never seen him.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 24 '07
Moving to the homer-friendly confines of the Phillie playpen, he might be good for 30. But even if he is, at the end of 2009, when they've finished paying him $13 million, the Philiies are going to ask themselves, What were they thinking?
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 24 '07
Josh Hamilton Texas Rangers
Somehow, I just have a bad feeling about him. No offense intended, and I agree with Alex that the chances are he'll go for far more. I'm just giving his money to some others in whom I have more confidence.
mike fenger mike
Dec 23 '07
Ron Mahay Los Angeles Dodgers
Look what came down his chimney five years before Christmas? $8 million parceled out over the next two years to get left-handed hitters out for the Kansas City Royals.

He does it well. LHB hit .189 against him last season. Nevertheless and unfortunately, the name Ron Mahey still means one thing to me: scab. I understand perfectly the pressures he probably felt at the time. He may have had some financial need that overpowered every other consideration. Even so, he gets less sympathy from me than the countless players deperately trying to make it to (or stay in) the big leagues who gave themselves a performance boost. Or, to put it another way, he deserves to be in the big leagues, but he sure doesn't deserve the contract he just signed.


Alex Patton Alex
Dec 23 '07
Eric Chavez Arizona Diamondbacks
Good catch, Mike. Thanks. Keep sending 'em.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 23 '07
$40?
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 23 '07
Jose Canseco Chicago White Sox
One of the key -- no, THE key sentence in the Mitchell Report:

"Everyone involved in baseball over the past two decades -- commissioners, club officials, the players' association and players -- shares to some extent the responsibility for the steroids era. There was a collective failure to recognize the problem as it emerged and to deal with it early on."

Guess who's not mentioned?

The press.

Alex Patton Alex
Dec 23 '07
Josh Hamilton Texas Rangers
Obviously, I'm planning to bid higher than Peter. But, in fact, I think he'll go for more than $20, and that's fine by me.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 23 '07
Pete Rose Cincinnati Reds
I have a rep as a liberal on PEDs, but it's more an idea that these things don't happen in a vacuum. And it seems like the smart idea is to avoid some sort of witch hunt.

Rose signed a document that said if he bet on baseball games he would be banned from the game for life. Or forever, or something like that. Which part didn't he understand?

Steroid users, as Alex is delighted to point out, are using every toy in the bag to get over, to succeed, and he's probably right that a lot of them would prefer not to have that pressure.

That, it seems to me, is a good reason to get all specific and technical about what happens if a player breaks the PEDs rules. And, by the way, what constitutes breaking the rules.

The beauty of Judge Landis's hard-assed stance against gambling is that there is no middle ground (apart from owning race horses). I think that same hardness is right on the steroid issue (assuming they are bad for your health), and I can't imagine why the players wouldn't want it to be so, as long as they are protected from false positives for PEDs.

Having said that, I was pitched at a party last night that Shoeless Joe should be in the Hall. But that's a topic for elsewhere.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 23 '07
Chris Young San Diego Padres
My rule of thumb in a dump trade is that you have to get equal value for the player you're surrendering plus at least a second player.

I did a review of this on my blog, and found that in the N.L. I looked at Jake Peavy was the only Top 10 N.L. pitcher bought by a second division team. That team did finish 12th out of 12 teams, so flipping Young for Peavy plus something else would have made sense.

It is telling that winners typically wind up with the best pitchers right out of the gate. That's because one 200 IP top 10 starter has far more impact on a team's 1200 IP than one 600 AB hitter has on an eventual winner's 7000 AB. And, if you don't have one of these pitchers, owners are too savvy in Stage Three simply to trade you one in an straight, non-dump deal.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 23 '07
Carlos Delgado New York Mets
Uniformly grim bids here. I think we all see decreased bat speed. I think he made some adjustments in the second half (a good thing, after hitting .223 in the first) and can return to more or less his 2004 level. But if he's going to end up with a repeat of last year's stats, I sure wouldn't be happy about spending $16 for them.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 23 '07
Nick Markakis Atlanta Braves
Here's a case where I don't quarrel with Peter's bid -- prices are stretched out in mixed leagues; to "overpay" for A-Rod you have to "underpay" for Markakis -- but I do quarrel with Mike's. What's not to like in 5x5? Markakis hit .320 in the second half. Knocked in 69 runs. Scored 55. It's true he didn't really get going until the middle of August, so you could say all he really did was have a six-week hot streak.

And you may prove to be right. But if you let somebody else have him in an AL-only league for $22, I'm quite sure you'll regret it.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 23 '07
Gary Bennett Los Angeles Dodgers
Admitting to the Washington Post that he took HGH:

"Quite frankly, I wasn't playing very well. I was horrible offensively. Defensively, it was a struggle to move around behind the plate. So I wrestled with it for about a month. And I finally decided, 'I'm going to try it.'"
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 22 '07
Yes, scratch the "very." I was getting a little carried away there. But for now I'm going to leave my bid limit at $6, because that's how much I like catchers who don't catch. Who are good hitters.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 22 '07
Carlos Pena Texas Rangers
Which is more shocking? That he had the third highest OPS in the first half (behind Alex Rodriguez and Magglio Ordonez)? Or the SECOND highest in the second half (behind David Ortiz)?

Did the ALL CAPS give it away?

He always had plate discipline. He always had a quick and powerful swing. But like some other hitters (Jose Cruz comes to mind), he seemed to go into stretches where he simply couldn't read the pitches at all.

Amazingly, the computers at Baseball Info Solutions (aka The Bill James Handbook 2008) give Pena an xBA of .315 for last year; I don't know how they figure that.

He still K's (and backward K's) far too often. It won't be a shock if 2008 finds him right around his career batting average. But the long flies will keep on coming.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 22 '07
Magglio Ordonez Detroit Tigers
Hit .429 with runners in scoring position. A Rogers Hornsby number.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 22 '07

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