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Jose Contreras Texas Rangers
You know, my kids do this new math thing. What is next in this progression: 20, 14, -9, ___ ......

-32? Yikes.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 8 '08
Alex-Contreras needs a geriatric psychiatrist.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Feb 8 '08
Curt Schilling Boston Red Sox
Don't worry. When the Sawx are playing the Yankees to see who gets to the World Series, Schilling will be pitching with a bloody jersey and shutting out the hated Yanks in Game 7. Bid one more buck in the end game.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Feb 8 '08
Latest sources are saying "at least gone until the AS Break"....he may opt for retirement as well. Hopefully we'll get more clarification
Brian Boyaji EL-NINO
Feb 8 '08
Jose Contreras Texas Rangers
Alex - Contreras needs a price. Thanks
Derek Correale Jobu
Feb 8 '08
Curt Schilling Boston Red Sox
I think schilling needs to price cut!
Derek Correale Jobu
Feb 8 '08
Scott Podsednik Boston Red Sox
Stinks. Next.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Feb 8 '08
Pat Neshek Philadelphia Phillies
Neshek is quite a bit different than most of these middle relief guys. He's a trick pitcher with real stuff. Like Chad Bradford on steroids. He strikes out a ton of guys, is tough to hit and he's next in line to the saves guy. So, he's worth more. You'll never get him for $5, so it's just a matter of personal philosophy on how you want your staff to look. With the paucity of starters in the AL, this guy looks like solid gold.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Feb 8 '08
Jeremy Bonderman Seattle Mariners
Just about everyone thinks that the AL is the superior league, but I don't think that there is much pitching here. With Johan and Haren in the NL, there are only a few ace-type upside pitchers (and the pathetic Giants have Cain, Lincecum and Zito). Sabathia, Beckett, Bedard, King Felix, Dice-K, Vazquez, Halladay, Kazmir, Wang, Verlander, Carmona, Liriano, Lackey. Now this is just in general: some of these guys you wouldn't consider aces and maybe you can add a couple of more. So, how do you draft AL pitching when it is really pretty thin? It's a crapshoot with mostly crap. At least a guy like Bonderman has proven upside, real upside even if he hasn't done it for a whole season, and even if he has arm problems. It's easier to replace a starting pitcher with a minor league phenom or crafty veteran than it is to replace your corner guy. And it won't cost you $25 in FAAB money. Ten bucks for a guy like Bonderman is like beating a woman to a $10 cashmere sweater with a hole in it.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Feb 8 '08
There's no "masked injury". We know he was injured. The Tigers shut him down in September with elbow inflammation, and are confident R&R will do the trick.

He was very solid in '06, and I think he's capable of that again. I would be completely comfortable with a $15 bid.
Jurgen Maas Jurgen
Feb 8 '08
You know, the real problem with Bonderman is that the numbers support a masked injury.

Pre-All Star break, Bonderman put up a 3.48 in 106 IP. When you are thinking break-out, this is what you are looking for. Post-break, his strikeouts went up, but his homeruns, average against and about every other category went up as well. This suggests that Bonderman was throwing a lot of fastballs, because he couldn't throw his off-speed stuff.

If that is the case, that is an even bigger cause for concern. Moreover, when you look at his scans, he has never once put together a full year. I just don't see taking the ride at $10.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 8 '08
Pat Neshek Philadelphia Phillies
This, too, is the difference between a start over league and a keeper league. The bid has to be slightly higher on Neshek in 4x4 keeper, if he is even available, because of the closer-in-waiting concept in carryover leagues. Everyone bets that Nathan will be gone by mid-season and Neshek will be the man. I assume he would go for between $7-$11 in an inflation keeper league.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 8 '08
Good point. The very best set-up men do become closers. Neshek pitched about the same amount as Nathan last year -- and actually, according to the rating, pitched a little bit better (a very little bit).

Then again, did they really pitch the same amount? When Nathan gets up to warm up, he's coming into the game. How many times did Neshek warm up and then sit down again?

Maybe never. Gardenhire's a good manager and may have done everything he could to protect Neshek. The fact is, middle relievers, for whatever reason, seldom have a three-year run of effective pitching.

That's my impression, anyway. We would be putting this database to good use if we started trotting out all the exceptions.
Alex Patton Alex
Feb 8 '08
Jeremy Bonderman Seattle Mariners
If you believe in DIPS he should rebound nicely.
Jurgen Maas Jurgen
Feb 7 '08
Travis Hafner New York Yankees
A good September (.316/.414/.551) raised hopes that whatever had been plaguing Pronk was behind him, then a mediocre post-season pretty much dashed 'em.

For three years he'd arguably been the best hitter in MLB on a per at bat basis. Those skills usually don't disappear overnight at age 30. (Frank Thomas had two off years at 30 and 31 only to return with a vengeance at 32.) Pray Pronk figures things out earlier... Alex's bid would be a great gamble.
Jurgen Maas Jurgen
Feb 7 '08
Pat Neshek Philadelphia Phillies
How much of that though is because most of those top set up guys become closers or quasi-closers some where before they can earn the double figures 3 years in a row? Mariano, K Rod, are two very obvious ones who come to mind and even a guy like BJ Ryan who only showed dominance for a season before he was made a closer.
Ryan Murphy Rjm576
Feb 7 '08
Neshek's great, but I hate to shell out fot set-up guys, even in 4x4. In 5x5: never.

My objection in 4x4 is that good set-up guys are so valuable in real baseball that their managers wear them out. You will have to look long and hard through the salary scans to find middle relievers who earn in double figures for three consecutive years.
Alex Patton Alex
Feb 7 '08
Hi Alex, do you have the bid limits for Neshek? I'm curious to see the difference between the 4X4 vs the 5X5 bid limits.
Ryan Murphy Rjm576
Feb 7 '08
Scott Podsednik Boston Red Sox
First he has to make the Rockies and then he has to get some playing time. But his style of hitting will play well there if he gets the chance.
Alex Patton Alex
Feb 7 '08
John Smoltz Atlanta Braves
Not counting his rookie 1/3 of a season, the last time he gave up over 1 hit per inning pitched was...well, never. And his worst era, 4.14. Worst whip, 1.28.

Geez. Talk about safety in numbers.
Gary Cruciani Megary
Feb 7 '08

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