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Careful what you ask for Howard. I just sent you the spreadsheet

There's a link in this thread somewhere to Todd Zola's Google doc.

Have fun!

Alex Patton Alex
May 16
Jay Groome Boston Red Sox

Chad Jennings at The Athletic, pondering who will be on the Red Sox 50-man roster when/if the season starts.

One wrinkle: Does the 40-man roster really matter? An easy way to approach a 50-man roster would be to tell teams they can use anyone from their 40-man roster, plus an additional 10 players. But maybe that won’t be the case. If players from the 40-man don’t have to be on the 50-man, then an inexperienced guy like Aybar shouldn’t make the cut. Perhaps not Wilson, either. He’s had only about a half-season of success in Double A and he’s never played in Triple A. Maybe his spot would be better used on an outfielder with experience and upper-level success?

And another: How are teams going to handle their prospects in this environment? If there’s no real minor-league season, the 50-man roster might be the only way to give guys like Downs and Duran meaningful at-bats, which might make them more likely to make the cut. What about a boom-or-bust guy like Durbin Feltman? Not out of the question he could have pitched his way to the majors this season. More complicated would be a young player like Jay Groome, who’s back from Tommy John surgery and presumably needs 40-man roster protection this offseason. Is there going to be a different way to give him meaningful innings, or will it be worth sacrificing a 50-man roster spot for pure player development reasons?

Alex Patton Alex
May 16

An exercise proposal ... distribute those $ to the teams that drafted the players ... does the winning team draft the most $?  Or better ... I assume your $ split up into $/category ... do sums of those $/category align with the points/category in the final standings?  Send me your data/formula, and I'll answer the questions :-)

Howard Lynch LynchMob
May 16

To get people interested (or not), here's the first round of the 1999 draft on Wednesday with what my rough formulas show the players' stats were worth.

1. Pedro Martinez $71

2. Randy Johnson $71

3. Derek Jeter $35

4. Ivan Rodriguez $37

5. Larry Walker $37

6. Jeff Bagwell $37

7. Sammy Sosa $35

8. Manny Rodriguez $36

9. Roberto Alomar $34

10. Kevin Millwood $56

11. Kevin Brown $54

12. Chipper Jones $37

Some first-round opportunities here unless my formulas are completely missing the picture. 

Or pitcher.

Alex Patton Alex
May 16
Willie Mays San Francisco Giants

Wow, checked it out on baseball-reference.com, and after he stole third he was out trying to steal home (maybe on a pitch that got away from Berra? Recorded as  3-5-3-5). This was one of the years when they played two All-Star Games; in the two 1960 games Willie only went 6-for-8 with a double, a triple, and a homer. Take that, folks who beefed about Mays being no. 1 on Posnaski's list.

mike fenger mike
May 16

I'd be interested in a NL if its done on a night or weekend. 

van wilhoite LVW
May 15
Willie Mays San Francisco Giants

I'd be game to try an NL only, for sure. If anyone else wants to play chime in. 

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
May 15

The spreadsheet is set up so that we enter the player name in a descending list. The cell is linked to a roster somewhere, and once the name is added the roster autofills with stats using vlookup. It is really remarkably clever. Somehow that updates the standings, which auto sort on most points, all in the matter of a second or so.

And, I think it will run well on most computers because the major processing takes place in Google's cloud.

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
May 15
Rougned Odor Texas Rangers

Other Notable May 15 Events

1893: Cincinnati Reds catcher Farmer Vaughn is ejected and fined $25 for throwing a bat at St. Louis Browns outfielder Steve Brodie after a home plate collision.

1912: Ty Cobb enters the stands and attacks a heckler, an incident that causes Ban Johnson to suspend Cobb indefinitely.

2016: Toronto Blue Jay Jose Bautista makes a hard slide into Texas Ranger Rougned Odor, triggering a brawl where Odor punches Bautista in the jaw. Four players are ejected; Odor is suspended 8 games and Bautista 1 game.

See other May 15 events at Baseball-Reference's Bullpen

Alex Patton Alex
May 15
Nolan Ryan Texas Rangers

Pitchers who celebrated Quince de Mayo.


Roberto ClementeMorgan EnsbergWillie HortonLen BarkerTom Seaver

May 15 All-Time Top Performers

Pitchers:

Len Barker* (CLE, 1981): 9.0 IP, 0 ER, 0 H, 0 BB, 11 K, 98 GmSc

Tom Seaver* (NYM, 1970): 9.0 IP, 0 ER, 1 H, 3 BB, 15 K, 97 GmSc

Nolan Ryan (CAL, 1973): 9.0 IP, 0 ER, 0 H, 3 BB, 12 K, 96 GmSc

Virgil Trucks* (DET, 1952): 9.0 IP, 0 ER, 0 H, 1 BB, 7 K, 93 GmSc

Don Cardwell (CHC, 1960): 9.0 IP, 0 ER, 0 H, 1 BB, 7 K, 93 GmSc

* - pictured above

Alex Patton Alex
May 15
Jean Segura Philadelphia Phillies


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Roberto ClementeMorgan EnsbergWillie HortonLen BarkerTom Seaver

May 15 All-Time Top Performers

Batters:

Roberto Clemente* (PIT, 1967): 4-5, 3 HR, 7 RBI, 3 R

Morgan Ensberg* (HOU, 2005): 4-4, 3 HR, 5 RBI, 3 R

Willie Horton* (TEX, 1977): 3-3, 3 HR, 5 RBI, 3 R

Paul Molitor (MIL, 1991): 4-5, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 2 R, cycle

Danny Valencia (OAK, 2016): 3-5, 3 HR, 5 RBI, 3 R

Jose Bautista (TOR, 2011): 3-5, 3 HR, 4 RBI, 3 R

Roberto Kelly (NYY, 1989): 3-5, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 2 R, 4 SB

Mike Davis (OAK, 1985): 3-5, 2 HR, 6 RBI, 4 R

Jean Segura (SEA, 2018): 3-5, 1 RBI, 3 R, 4 SB

Reggie Smith (LAD, 1978): 4-5, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 2 R, 2 SB

Alex Patton Alex
May 15

Peter -- Well if you hear about an NL-only league and need someone I'd be up for it. Side note: I still don't understand how you are figuring out the stats on the fly unless someone is just copying and pasting them in.

Kent Ostby Seadogs
May 15
Jordan Hicks St. Louis Cardinals

Jordan Hicks (P) STL - May. 14

https://www.rotowire.com/baseball/player.php?id=740948

Hicks (elbow), who could return from Tommy John surgery shortly after the start of the proposed abbreviated regular season, may play an integral relief role according to president of baseball operations John Mozeliak, Rick Hummel of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports. "Given the circumstances of the season, the likelihood of his being able to contribute are a lot different than had it been a normal year," Mozeliak said. "There is some optimism that if we do have a season, he'll have some way of being a key member of it."

ROTOWIRE RECOMMENDS: Mozeliak relays Hicks continues engaging in regular bullpen sessions at his home in Houston, usually throwing 30 pitches per outing in an effort to mirror his approximate maximum pitch count in an actual game setting. Tuesday, Hicks worked up to 40 total pitches by throwing two blocks of 20 each, and if the current early-July timeline for Opening Day comes to pass, the 23-year-old will be close to 13 full months removed from his June 2019 Tommy John procedure. However, Mozeliak notes the Cardinals would also be particularly cautious with the hard-throwing right-hander due to his Type A diabetes, as the condition could potentially make him more at risk for serious COVID-19-related complications. 

Alex Patton Alex
May 15
Aaron Hicks New York Yankees

Aaron Hicks (OF) NY-A - May. 14

https://www.rotowire.com/baseball/player.php?id=740939

Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said Thursday that Hicks (elbow) has advanced to taking dry swings in addition to taking part in a throwing program, Lindsey Adler of The Athletic reports.

ROTOWIRE RECOMMENDS: The organization is seemingly pleased with how Hicks is bouncing back from the Tommy John surgery he required for his right elbow in October, with Cashman noting that the 30-year-old is a "legit option" to reclaim his everyday role in center field at some point during the summer. Hicks should continue to gradually increase the distance of his throws and intensity of his batting work on his own in the weeks to come before the Yankees are cleared to resume full-squad workouts.

Alex Patton Alex
May 15

The fly in the ointment of this otherwise good analysis are the players with contracts guaranteed for '21 and beyond, and, to a lesser extent (because imagine the complexity this year introduces into the process), the high-end guys eligible for arbitration in those years.  Blake Snell et al. are likely counting on this being a one-off, and things picking up as normal next spring, so why risk your health, and the bargaining principles involved, for 1/3rd or whatever of this year's salary.  Thus the short-term costs of this year will be borne by those on the free agent market.  Long-term is a different matter but not everyone considers that.  The owners may be counting on the cleavage in the union membership  between these haves and the have nots for their leverage.

John Thomas Roll2
May 15

One thing that I haven't seen discussed a lot - it is most certainly in the players interest to generate revenue this year.

Back to my point earlier - contracts are not based on intrinsic value.  They are based on what owners are willing and able to put on the table in order to procure a players services.

Player A gets paid based on what Team X will pay, which is a function of what Team Y will pay.

Team Y will be willing to pay Player A based on an evaluation of how much better than Player B he is ... and how much Team Z is willing to play Player B (which dictates how much they'd have to pay Player B if they don't get A).

And so on down the line.

Teams X, Y, and Z (and most of the other teams) will all have more money in the next offseason to spend on players if they make money this year.  If they don't make money, they'll be offering a lot smaller contracts next winter.

Moreover, there is tremendous opportunity this summer, since there are massive captive audiences.  Baseball has a chance to expand its base, especially since I'm much more sceptical about football's ability to proceed safely next fall with its inherently close contact combined with massive active rosters.

Phil Ponebshek Texpope
May 15
Ryan Klesko San Francisco Giants

The kingmaker in the XFL 1999 retro draft last night. There was so much hitting that year, he was still available in Round 23. Fred Zinkie catapulted himself from middle of the pack to first (comfortably) with the third to last pick.

After Ron Shandler took Butch Huskey with the second pick in Round 22, all other outfield and DH slots were filled. All Fred had to do was bide his time. 

It's possible he could have sealed the deal right then by taking Klesko with his pick in Round 22 (immediately after Ron's) but he still needed a pitcher and there were 12 other pitching slots to still open. Clearly, the smart play was to take the best pitcher available with his next pick.

For Fred that was Bob Wells.

Alex Patton Alex
May 15
Blake Snell Tampa Bay Rays

If you're a younger pitcher who's already had some arm trouble -- like Snell -- can't blame him.

Mike Dean TMU2009
May 14

LynchMob: I think dumping one cat is effectively dumping two, so might as well start out dumping two, but you may be right. Planning on one may keep more options open. If I took Klesko instead of Goodwin I would end up with two fewer points. Klesko's strength was a good BA with 21 homers and 80 RBI. Goodwin actual scored eight more runs than Klesko and stole umpteen more bases, which I valued. 

I've been playing around replacing my guys in the endgame and haven't found a better finish available to me. I think if I take Rickey Bottalico instead of Steve Parris I gain points but don't pass Jeff. No doubt I'll do some more of that.

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
May 14

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